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Viper

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach.  I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it. 

What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous. 
status quo Marquette?...or take a chance, adapt, do things differently Marquette? Might fail. Might win big.
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panda2.0

Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 25, 2025, 02:33:28 PMIf you're going to use this as an example of touting a young man's potential then I think you might be interested in where Gold came from

I'm well aware. And he's not the topic of conversation here. Ben's talent level coming in as a freshman is commiserate with the level I expect for Marquette.

Clark/hamilton not so much

Viper

Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
$ no matta to GB. Pack can compete with any other team due to the NFL salary cap. Same w/the Bucks. Brewers/MLB the better analogy. College sports need some form of regs around NIL or midmajors are pretty much toast at some point. Or, MU becomes a mid.
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Viper

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
few. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
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wadesworld

Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:03:18 PMfew. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?

Your RED BIL has been texting you a lot lately, I see.

tower912

Cool.  More practice and game reps for the young guys.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

panda2.0

Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 02:37:41 PMIsn't that the point? He wasn't highly recruited and became a high quality player D-1 player. Your belief that players improve primarily based on game minutes also is wrong but once again quite telling.

No - the point is Marquette should never be on the same recruiting level as Boise state.

What a terrible example

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:03:18 PMfew. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?

Maybe Shaka can show them some game film of the epic Jim Chones-Lew Alcindor matchups
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Viper

Quote from: Its DJOver on April 25, 2025, 12:15:14 PMGuys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue.  It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him.  He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
actually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
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tower912

I believe that MU can get to the promised land via Shaka's template.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Markusquette

2025-2027 will be very telling if Shaka can find the right guys out of high school to get to that level

Scoop Snoop

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Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?

 From a post by you 3 days ago:

 back from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!

Is this the "slightly different route" you have in mind?
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TallTitan34

Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:55:28 PMIt doesn't make sense when there is zero roster mobility for current team needs.

What the hell are you talking about?  Even with our projects we have two open spots.

tower912

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 25, 2025, 03:22:58 PMIs this the "slightly different route" you have in mind?

Yep, if the plane isn't the way you want, crash it.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMPanda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March.

So does everyone here dumbass.
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Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?

Saying you want more than other fans that don't share the same views on using the portal is ludicrous.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 02:48:07 PMstatus quo Marquette?...or take a chance, adapt, do things differently Marquette? Might fail. Might win big.

As of today, no need to fix what isn't broken.

tower912

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 04:31:48 PMSaying you want more than other fans that don't share the same views on using the portal is ludicrous.
Just another day.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Zog from Margo

Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 03:08:48 PMNo - the point is Marquette should never be on the same recruiting level as Boise state.

What a terrible example

Boise State recruits a kid with no other offers who becomes a high D-1 quality player but you wouldn't want him because all the high major schools missed on him. Similarly, if Shaka recruits a player without other high major offers who becomes a high level D-1 player, you don't want him. I sure can see why my example is terrible and your Lloyd Christmas logic is rock solid.

panda2.0

Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 05:05:24 PMBoise State recruits a kid with no other offers who becomes a high D-1 quality player but you wouldn't want him because all the high major schools missed on him. Similarly, if Shaka recruits a player without other high major offers who becomes a high level D-1 player, you don't want him. I sure can see why my example is terrible and your Lloyd Christmas logic is rock solid.
I'm not sure if I'm completely missing your point but here we are -

Marquette should never be in the same recruiting pool as Boise state. It's great they found an unbanked recruit and he turned into an nba prospect. Those types of players 1. Don't grow on trees and 2. Are rarely/if ever ready to contribute at a level above what the Mwc is.

Marquette earned a 2 seed to of the last three seasons. Without looking, I would guess the best seed Boise received in the last 10 years is an 8 seed. Boise isn't in the same stratosphere as Marquette.

They can afford to take risks on unheralded players. If Marquette wants to maintain their stature built in the last five seasons, they cannot afford to take those risks.

Great for Boise that it turned out for degenhart and he stayed for all four years. For every degenhart there are 10 Caedin hamilton's and Keeyan's. The juice isn't worth the squeeze when there are present roster needs to stay competitive.

panda2.0

Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?

Thanks viper - it's always good to have another level headed thoughtful Marquette fan in my corner.

panda2.0

I must be taking crazy pills here. There's people hurling unnecessary insults, pedants pedanting and some guy asking why we can't recruit the same type of players as Boise state.

All I want is for a couple experienced roster pieces to maintain the level of expectation Shaka has built over the last few years. 

The Sultan

Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:26:07 PMThanks viper - it's always good to have another level headed thoughtful Marquette fan in my corner.

Yes...that's it.
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MU82

Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:32:49 PMThere's people hurling unnecessary insults

Agree. Some Scoopers claiming they want to win more than other Scoopers do - with some even suggesting they want to win more than Shaka does - is pretty damn insulting and unnecessary.
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We R Final Four

Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:32:49 PMAll I want is for a couple experienced roster pieces to maintain the level of expectation Shaka has built over the last few years. 
How did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?

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