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[tower912]

And we have circled back to the beginning.  Shaka has said multiple times that he would rather retain and develop instead of dropping a bag on a 17 ppg scorer from the Horizon league.  So, sure, it is possible.  But unlikely.

[GoldenEagles03]

And we have circled back to the beginning.  Shaka has said multiple times that he would rather retain and develop instead of dropping a bag on a 17 ppg scorer from the Horizon league.  So, sure, it is possible.  But unlikely.

I have an infinite more confidence in Chase Ross being that guy over some rando from a mid major.

Wondered how it would work long-term but I am totally bought in and love what Shaka is doing. It is sustainable.

[jfp61]

I have an infinite more amount of Chase Ross being that guy over some rando from a mid major.

Yea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.

Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.

[DoctorV]

Yea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.

Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.

Easter Day jokes eh?

He is Risen and perhaps so will they! Or perhaps not...

[GoldenEagles03]

Yea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.

Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.

Sean Jones
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery

Will be an awesome back court. We'll see how their backups look.

[jfp61]

Sean Jones
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery

Will be an awesome back court. We'll see how their backups look.

Sean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.

I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.

[DoctorV]

Sean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.

I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.

All your data based off +- stats or other stats too?

If so, will you at least acknowledge that theirs is somewhat skewed because of playing many of those possessions with backups?

You make these assertions quite confidently, and I always appreciate a differing perspective than the herd, but most here seem to see something in Zaide especially that you don't.

I don't considerate mean spirited when it's data driven and not an attack, as long as we take the data for what it is.
The eye test, some of the best data out there, screams that Zaide seems to be primed to make a big leap.
As for SJ22, he was one of the guys I rooted for the most before his injury, and he handled the rehab/off the court stuff way better than anyone could hope so he's easy to pull for. That doesn't mean he will be a good/great BE guard because who knows the effect that injury will have. We won't know until the ball is tipped

[MuMark]

Zaire Lowery

Freshman year

ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%

Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.

Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.

Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.

Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.

Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........










             

[Uncle Rico]

Zaire Lowery

Freshman year

ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%

Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.

Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.

Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.

Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.

Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........










             

Feelings don't care about facts

[The Sultan]

Objective facts are no match for the Scoop scouting report.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Sean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.

I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.

If you're not optimistic about what Zaide can potentially bring this upcoming season I'm not sure what you were watching.

[jfp61]

All your data based off +- stats or other stats too?

If so, will you at least acknowledge that theirs is somewhat skewed because of playing many of those possessions with backups?

You make these assertions quite confidently, and I always appreciate a differing perspective than the herd, but most here seem to see something in Zaide especially that you don't.

I don't considerate mean spirited when it's data driven and not an attack, as long as we take the data for what it is.
The eye test, some of the best data out there, screams that Zaide seems to be primed to make a big leap.
As for SJ22, he was one of the guys I rooted for the most before his injury, and he handled the rehab/off the court stuff way better than anyone could hope so he's easy to pull for. That doesn't mean he will be a good/great BE guard because who knows the effect that injury will have. We won't know until the ball is tipped

Keeping it short.
Zaide.

Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.

Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.


As for Sean. If you are short, and you can't shoot the cover off of the ball or create at a high level, you just don't make it at this level. And his trait to do it was his pace, and since he tore his ACL and hasn't played for a year.

[The Sultan]

Keeping it short.
Zaide.

Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.

Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.

As I said...

Objective facts are no match for the Scoop scouting report.

[jfp61]

As I said...

I was asked not to use stats

[The Sultan]

I was asked not to use stats

Convenient for you. Why use facts when we can get your scouting report?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Keeping it short.
Zaide.

Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.

Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.

LOL

[MU82]

Sean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.

I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.

There actually are numerous signs that they could be good.

Before he got hurt, Sean Jones flat-out won games for us in 2023 against high-level competition - including the then-#1 team in the country. A good argument can be made that being a key contributor to victories over Kansas, Creighton, UCLA and Illinois is a pretty positive "sign."

Zaide Lowery improved considerably as a sophomore, especially after he was fully healthy and his playing time increased. One could argue that shooting .545 from 3 while averaging 6 points in 16 mpg over a two-month stretch, with only 2 turnovers in those 14 games, is a pretty positive "sign."

You are allowed to have an opinion that neither will prove to be a good basketball player for Marquette for whatever reasons you want to cite. But to say there is "no sign" - as if it's a fact - means you're just willing to be wrong in a poor attempt at making a point.

[DoctorV]

Keeping it short.
Zaide.
 

Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.

I missed this.

What I saw was a very capable and able/active defender, that rebounded well and set a tone with his presence.

Making some shots was just an add-on that I wasn't expecting, but as many have said his form looks very good and repeatable. I would argue that his shooting success in years 3/4 depends more on what's in between the ears/confidence than the form and ability.

As for the disagreement on the defensive end- I'll defer to Shaka who, when Zaide seemed healthy, inserted him into the lineup as a defensive presence.

I agree with the turnovers and ability to distribute- I don't think this will ever be one of his strengths. I think he will be a slasher/shooter/rebounder that uses his athletic gifts to excel on the defensive end and create a lot of EGBs on the offensive end.

As a caveat- I think we need to be careful with this "all-purpose and well-rounded" guard type that Shaka has tried to make, and succeeded for the most part, with TyKo and Kam.
Those guys had ELITE skills.
It's more likely that future teams will have guys that excel at certain things, and others that pick up the remaining facets offensively.
Defensively, hopefully most are net positives rather than negatives.
I worry about the smaller size PGs but Shaka doesn't, so I'm fine with it and we will see how it plays out

[MU82]

I mean, Lowery had 10 turnovers all last season - including only 4 after Dec. 1, when Shaka started playing him 15-20 minutes in most games. He had zero TOs in 24 of the 31 games he played.

We need more "turnover-prone" players like that.

[jfp61]

I mean, Lowery had 10 turnovers all last season - including only 4 after Dec. 1, when Shaka started playing him 15-20 minutes in most games. He had zero TOs in 24 of the 31 games he played.

We need more "turnover-prone" players like that.

It's because he has a usage rate closer to our Shaka smart than Kam.

[jfp61]

Zaire Lowery

Freshman year

ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%

Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.

Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.

Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.

Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.

Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........

             

Defense no matta

[mileskishnish72]

Yea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.

Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.

What on earth is "degenerative" about an ACL tear?

[jfp61]

What on earth is "degenerative" about an ACL tear?

Would you rather me say "typically degenerative"?

Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.

[Uncle Rico]

Defense no matta

Which isn't going to be an issue for Zaide

[jfp61]

Which isn't going to be an issue for Zaide

I prefer good defenders to "defend good"


Not worse than kam did as a sophomore, despite having more traits to be able to defend.