Chase Offense

[PGsHeroes32]

First off, I love Chase and his value defensively every game will always be there.

My big question though. Is, as a junior why can't he still consistently get looks offensively. I think its more mental.

Stevie had a rough 2nd half from deep and got about 6 wide open looks. Chase is a better natural shooter. So ya, maybe he wont be left alone that much. But a few??

But the biggest thing is Stevie is a menace in the paint. Driving. Put backs. Fouls. You name it.

Chase had a big put back late. But he does all of this far less than Stevie and he's bigger and more athletic.

Also, this is not me sh it ting on Chase in anyway. Love him as our new starter for TK. Just curious on thoughts about his Offense and what he can do to be more of a consistent impact.

Cause imo his spot shooting plus athleticism should make 12 a game routine.

[MuggsyB]

I said the exact same thing in the SOTG thread.  We need to get him involved more.  Creighton's pack line D is better than most with Kalky but he's more than capable of scoring in the h-c.  Get him cutting to the rim, and taking that 6 footer off the bounce sometimes.   I am a bit concerned that Kam is handling the ball too much.  Chase can score, get him more opportunities. 

[Elonsmusk]

Good topic/questions.  I thought Chase turned a corner in the Dayton game, where he was just a "dude," out on the floor - where his athleticism was just on full display.

Comparing him to Stevie is interesting.  On the whole Chase is more athletic, yet Stevie is shiftier, quicker change of direction, better spin move.  Chase is more os a straight line guy.

Kam of course if probably the least athletic of the 3, yet his body control, change of pace, ball handling, footwork all make hime the most effective, despite lacking athleticism.

I do hope Chase can find more opportunities on offense. He has a nice stroke, and of course his defense is off the charts good.

[muhoops1]

I said the exact same thing in the SOTG thread.  We need to get him involved more.  Creighton's pack line D is better than most with Kalky but he's more than capable of scoring in the h-c.  Get him cutting to the rim, and taking that 6 footer off the bounce sometimes.   I am a bit concerned that Kam is handling the ball too much.  Chase can score, get him more opportunities. 

It would be nice to get Sean back to give him a break but so far so good.

[MuggsyB]

On another note I'm still perplexed why no foul was called when Chase was elbowed in the face. 

[brewcity77]

On another note I'm still perplexed why no foul was called when Chase was elbowed in the face. 

They basically said it was unintentional. But I didn't see a replay as they didn't show it in the building.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Stevie got so many open looks because Kalkbrenner was defending him. They purposely left him open to allow Kalkbrenner to roam the paint. Chase had Neal and Green in his pocket all night.

[DoctorV]

I think tonight was a bit anomalous.

I saw a clear gameplan from an elite BE coach to allow Stevie and Marquettes bench to take the open outside shot.

Conversely, there was a concerted effort to not let Kam, Jop, and Chase to get a lot of looks.

Jop loves to shoot, and he had like 3 shot attempts before the last 5 minutes of action.
I think there was a concerted effort by McDermott to not get beat by Kam, Jop, and Chase offensively, smart game planning.
Stevie/Zaide/Parham had 19 of Marquettes 34 three point attempts, many of which were pretty wide open with severely sagging D, which clogged the lanes for the others

[Big Papi]

I know it was against Stoneybrook but Chase looked electric in that first game offensively.

I expected him to consistently be our second or third scorer this year after that game but he hasn't looked to score like he did in that game. He has the ability.

[MuggsyB]

They basically said it was unintentional. But I didn't see a replay as they didn't show it in the building.

It wasn't egregious, but to me it didn't look like a basketball play. 

[PGsHeroes32]

I think tonight was a bit anomalous.

I saw a clear gameplan from an elite BE coach to allow Stevie and Marquettes bench to take the open outside shot.

Conversely, there was a concerted effort to not let Kam, Jop, and Chase to get a lot of looks.

Jop loves to shoot, and he had like 3 shot attempts before the last 5 minutes of action.
I think there was a concerted effort by McDermott to not get beat by Kam, Jop, and Chase offensively, smart game planning.
Stevie/Zaide/Parham had 19 of Marquettes 34 three point attempts, many of which were pretty wide open with severely sagging D, which clogged the lanes for the others

I get this forsure. And as TAMU said they had Kalk dropping Stevie

As I treid to convey in my post(probably not accurately) is why we cant get Chase a few more of those tho.

And mostly stevie was the example cause he routinely makes bank in the paint. So its more so about how can we get chase going from all over a little more consistently. Some of the finishing and drawing contact is on him. Stevie is "smaller" but hes tough as nails

[Lennys Tap]

I think tonight was a bit anomalous.

I saw a clear gameplan from an elite BE coach to allow Stevie and Marquettes bench to take the open outside shot.

Conversely, there was a concerted effort to not let Kam, Jop, and Chase to get a lot of looks.

Jop loves to shoot, and he had like 3 shot attempts before the last 5 minutes of action.
I think there was a concerted effort by McDermott to not get beat by Kam, Jop, and Chase offensively, smart game planning.
Stevie/Zaide/Parham had 19 of Marquettes 34 three point attempts, many of which were pretty wide open with severely sagging D, which clogged the lanes for the others

Agree on CU's game plan. But Stevie/Zaide/Parham's weren't "pretty wide open" they were totally wide open and uncontested.

[GoldenEagles03]

First off, I love Chase and his value defensively every game will always be there.

My big question though. Is, as a junior why can't he still consistently get looks offensively. I think its more mental.

Stevie had a rough 2nd half from deep and got about 6 wide open looks. Chase is a better natural shooter. So ya, maybe he wont be left alone that much. But a few??

But the biggest thing is Stevie is a menace in the paint. Driving. Put backs. Fouls. You name it.

Chase had a big put back late. But he does all of this far less than Stevie and he's bigger and more athletic.

Also, this is not me sh it ting on Chase in anyway. Love him as our new starter for TK. Just curious on thoughts about his Offense and what he can do to be more of a consistent impact.

Cause imo his spot shooting plus athleticism should make 12 a game routine.

He's the ideal 3rd or 4th option. He rarely creates his own shot.

He is a 3 and D slasher which a winning team needs, and will need at the next level, but playmaking isn't his go to and likely won't be.

[PGsHeroes32]

He's the ideal 3rd or 4th option. He rarely creates his own shot.

He is a 3 and D slasher which a winning team needs, and will need at the next level, but playmaking isn't his go to and likely won't be.

I might be 700 beers deep

But I gotta ask, where the fu ck did Iask about play making?

3/D I know he's that. That's basically what Stevie does. The purpose of this tread is why can't we get chase to hit the rim as well as for more consistent offense.

[GoldenEagles03]

I guess I was referring to this.

My big question though. Is, as a junior why can't he still consistently get looks offensively. I think its more mental.

And by playmaking I lump in shot creation. He isn't a shot creator.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I might be 700 beers deep

But I gotta ask, where the fu ck did Iask about play making?

3/D I know he's that. That's basically what Stevie does. The purpose of this tread is why can't we get chase to hit the rim as well as for more consistent offense.

Maybe some will disagree but I was hoping to see Chase finish more effectively at the rim through or around contact. There have been some instances but that's been a bit of a disappointment to me.

[PGsHeroes32]

Maybe some will disagree but I was hoping to see Chase finish more effectively at the rim through or around contact. There have been some instances but that's been a bit of a disappointment to me.

Exactly.

Love chase. But his finishing at the rim and frequency of when he attacks is my whole basis of this.

Can take us to another level

[MuggsyB]

Exactly.

Love chase. But his finishing at the rim and frequency of when he attacks is my whole basis of this.

Can take us to another level

Absolutely.  Sometimes he's simply out of control and hasn't learned yet how to change speeds or direction on the downhill attack.  He has the ability it's about getting more comfortable and confident.  Again, learning to play off of two feet in the paint would be helpful as well. 

[MuggsyB]

Absolutely.  Sometimes he's simply out of control and hasn't learned yet how to change speeds or direction on the downhill attack.  He has the ability it's about getting more comfortable and confident.  Again, learning to play off of two feet in the paint would be helpful as well. 

[tower912]

The really great thing is that MU is in a place where we can debate what is wrong with MU'S 4th scoring option. 
MU has a set or two that they have shown the last 4 years (and under Wojo) that they could run to get Chase a look at the basket.   More than anything, Chase has to decide to.  He has drives where he turns the corner on the baseline and is looking to pass opposite as he drives rather than attack the rim. 
IMO, patience, and he will get there.

[fjm]

At the game, but I do recall at least two fast break moments where a quick pass to Chase who was behind defenders already would have lead to a layup/classic chase dunk. Instead we slowed it down and worked the ball around.

Chase came through when he needed to, but was again hampered by fouls much like the Xavier (I think) game.

[brewcity77]

At the game, but I do recall at least two fast break moments where a quick pass to Chase who was behind defenders already would have lead to a layup/classic chase dunk. Instead we slowed it down and worked the ball around.

Chase came through when he needed to, but was again hampered by fouls much like the Xavier (I think) game.

Chase still played 33 minutes last night, he only managed 17 at Xavier.

I just think Chase needs to be more assertive. He was at 17.6% usage in non-con, but is at just 12.2% in conference play. If you're going to be that 2nd or 3rd scorer and emerge as an alpha next year, that assertiveness needs to start now.

[Herman Cain]

First off, I love Chase and his value defensively every game will always be there.

My big question though. Is, as a junior why can't he still consistently get looks offensively. I think its more mental.

Stevie had a rough 2nd half from deep and got about 6 wide open looks. Chase is a better natural shooter. So ya, maybe he wont be left alone that much. But a few??

But the biggest thing is Stevie is a menace in the paint. Driving. Put backs. Fouls. You name it.

Chase had a big put back late. But he does all of this far less than Stevie and he's bigger and more athletic.

Also, this is not me sh it ting on Chase in anyway. Love him as our new starter for TK. Just curious on thoughts about his Offense and what he can do to be more of a consistent impact.

Cause imo his spot shooting plus athleticism should make 12 a game routine.

I thought Chase played well within the flow of what the game offered offensively. Shaka offense all about team moving and sharing the ball. Kalk is a such a defensive force that makes it hard to get to the rack and Creighton was guarding Chase tight so open looks were rare.

So Chase played more of a glue guy role last night, that is a good thing long term. Eventually opposing teams will have to abandon the theory of letting the Non Kam/Chase part of the team wide open.

[Uncle Rico]

FWIW, Chase numbers on offense:

119.2 Ortg with a relatively low usage rate

55.7 eff fg%, 36% from 3

Numbers have been quiet for the most part in conference.  My hunch is, when fully healthy again, he'll be a massive factor as we approach the dance

See Brew touched on this

[CountryRoads]

Chase has some big stones and we don't go to the Sweet Sixteen last year without his offense. He's actually a pretty clutch 3 point shooter. A couple that immediately come to mind other than the Colorado one late are against UCONN in the garden as a freshman and last year against St Thomas (lol). There have been others as well.

That said though I think relatively (key word) speaking, he isn't one of our most (top 5?) gifted offensive players. Total stud athlete but I am not expecting him to be our leading scorer next year. I think he can get to the next level in a 3 and D role. Hope he can start getting a few more 3s up this year as he has a very nice looking shot.