Road...TRIP

[Jockey]

Self loathing navel gazers who lack perspective on how good MU really is.

Missing the forest for the trees.

So true. #4 Kentucky got blown out on the road today by a very mediocre tOSU team. Purdue lost by 20 on the road. It's tough out there.

There were only 2 lessons from todays game. Unnecessary because we already knew them both.

1. It's hard to win on the Road against good (or even mediocre) teams.
2. It's hard to win when multiple players are in foul trouble.

Until Chase & Stevie had to sit, the game was a blowout. All 5 starters played well. I have no complaints about this team right now. They are really good.

[PGsHeroes32]

So true. #4 Kentucky got blown out on the road today by a very mediocre tOSU team. Purdue lost by 20 on the road. It's tough out there.

There were only 2 lessons from todays game. Unnecessary because we already knew them both.

1. It's hard to win on the Road against good (or even mediocre) teams.
2. It's hard to win when multiple players are in foul trouble.

Until Chase & Stevie had to sit, the game was a blowout. All 5 starters played well. I have no complaints about this team right now. They are really good.

All your points about MU being fine are very valid

But this is the issue with sports. Context is lost really easily. Guessing you saw the team on the bottom of the score ticker? Neither of those games were on the road(although Auburn was much more local)

Same way with all the people on social media calling X screwed without watching the 15 min prior where they got all the calls.

[Lennys Tap]

So true. #4 Kentucky got blown out on the road today by a very mediocre tOSU team. Purdue lost by 20 on the road. It's tough out there.

There were only 2 lessons from todays game. Unnecessary because we already knew them both.

1. It's hard to win on the Road against good (or even mediocre) teams.
2. It's hard to win when multiple players are in foul trouble.

Until Chase & Stevie had to sit, the game was a blowout. All 5 starters played well. I have no complaints about this team right now. They are really good.

Agree with much of this - except the "all 5 starters played well" part. Chase played poorly.

[We R Final Four]

Why? Unless you believe or know Sean won't be back this year. This team is missing a guy who can force rotations and take advantage. Tre isn't going to be that guy this year.

No idea if Sean gets back healthy, but if he does he immediately offers something we don't have.

To count on Sean to impact games to push us to a FF is a HUGE ask....thats all.
More likely that comes from a player who is actually improving than a hope for a player we haven't seen for a year.

[BM1090]

To count on Sean to impact games to push us to a FF is a HUGE ask....thats all.
More likely that comes from a player who is actually improving than a hope for a player we haven't seen for a year.

I definitely get what you're saying, but I think Sean is the only one who can add the dimension the offense needs to improve in the half court. What he can do, nobody else can.

Incremental improvement in shooting by the underclassmen would improve efficiency, but Sean changes the way teams have to guard us for a little bit each game.

Is they too much to ask this year? Maybe.
 

[Shooter McGavin]

Someday, some of you will appreciate how much fun it is to be a Marquette fan right now

Ha! This.

[PGsHeroes32]

Listened to the field of 68 tonight. Dauster got picked apart by childress and a little fanta

Yes, the call was def missed imo.

But Dauster went on a rant on F68, how Miller shoulda sacrificed all this salary it was inexcusable all this(of course without mentioning calls that helped X before hand) nonsense. And in his argument he talked about how he doesn't know if chase even made contact lol.

His claim was that since chase caused Conwell to at least "freak out" and change direction its chase fault for him face planting. One of the more insane things I have ever heard and RC buried him for it.

[Goose]

Fluff

I am not backing down one bit on my Kam making teammates better. Only caveat, comparing him to TK and Oso is not fair to him. TK and Oso made things look easy and I was spoiled.

[Goose]

Jake

My comments on high ceiling are based off of past performances against Baylor and Kansas, not how far they can go in NCAA. I literally loved the performances in those two games and do not think that will be matched with this group.

I said over past couple of weeks that the higher floor might take them further in tournament. By no means do I think this team cannot have a great season, just not as entertaining as the past two years.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Fluff

I am not backing down one bit on my Kam making teammates better.

And to think you once thought of yourself as the arbiter of people "knowing ball."

[Shooter McGavin]

I definitely get what you're saying, but I think Sean is the only one who can add the dimension the offense needs to improve in the half court. What he can do, nobody else can.

Incremental improvement in shooting by the underclassmen would improve efficiency, but Sean changes the way teams have to guard us for a little bit each game.

Is they too much to ask this year? Maybe.
 

I, like you, think he would add a dimension to the offense that would be nice to see especially when Kam is out of the game.  It would also be nice to have him handle the ball and relieve some pressure from Kam at times when they are on the floor together, especially against heavy pressure. Tre hasn't shown he can do that and the other guards are not stellar at it either.

Of course we all don't know how he will perform this year when he gets on the court.  But if he wants to come back I'd like to find out. Nothing more, nothing less.

He won't hurt the team this year by doing so.  Two years from now, if he red shirts, is a long way off.  Take advantage of having an all American on your team while you can.

[PGsHeroes32]

Jake

My comments on high ceiling are based off of past performances against Baylor and Kansas, not how far they can go in NCAA. I literally loved the performances in those two games and do not think that will be matched with this group.

I said over past couple of weeks that the higher floor might take them further in tournament. By no means do I think this team cannot have a great season, just not as entertaining as the past two years.

Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.

So we need to have individual games like Baylor and Kansas to be final 4?

First off, while the Kansas win was great it didn't even age that well.

Second, Shakas first year we boat raced a top 15 providence team in conference play. Baylor style.

So were they more final 4?

If you wanna be more reserved, go ahead. But all your reasons for it are reaches to say the least.

Also that Baylor win was more of a wake up for the fans that this team had potential. There were many games later in that season(namely the Uconn wins) that showed me way more.

[Goose]

PG

Did you read my post? I said a less entertaining team may go further than the previous two years. They may have to battle harder to do it, but may be better suited to do it.

As Fluff stated, maybe your take on other games makes you a far better judge of ball than I am and perfectly fine with that. The Baylor game was an all time clinic in watching MU basketball and was more than a wake up call to me, but that is my take.

[DenverEagle]

Someday, some of you will appreciate how much fun it is to be a Marquette fan right now

As a fan that watched nearly every game of the Wojo era, I am thrilled to be a Marquette fan right now.  So much fun! I think this group has a ton of potential.  When the question becomes how deep can they go rather than can they even win tonight and will we find a way to get to the tournament, I think that says it all.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

9. Chase was invisible today

No, Conwell was invisible today. Chase Ross was the reason why

[Jay Bee]

#FTsNoMatta

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

No, Conwell was invisible today. Chase Ross was the reason why

True, Chase's defense was elite in the first half. Foul trouble took him completely out of the game in the 2nd half.

[MessWithAll]

Loooong time reader, first time poster.

Fantastic win! Especially when you consider...it was Chase's worst game of the year, maybe Kam's worst half of the season, and on the road in a tough environment vs a solid team. Of course you'd love to see a veteran team close that out easier, but never apologize for road wins in the BEast.

Loved the bench tonight. Played tough D and offensively played with needed "restraint," if that makes sense. Thought we'd get more Lowrey minutes in 2nd half.  He can switch everything and has looked more confident on O. Especially when X was on their run.  Clearly, Im buying stock in 2025 Zaide! 

To Goose's point, MU might be better served when Kam isnt taking 20+ shots in games. But he's such a great shot maker its hard to complain when he does.

Excited for the rest of the season!

[GoldenEagles03]

I'm pretty concerned about Stevie in all honesty. He was very noticeably hobbled today (moreso than usual). His achilles are clearly bothering him quite a bit to the point where he was running completely flat-footed.

Hopefully this 10 day break is enough to get him in a good spot, though I'd imagine this won't go away. Kid is as tough as they come.

[wisblue]

On that final play, is there anyone that is familiar enough with the rules and the interpretations provided to officials that can answer whether or not that should have been called a foul?

We won't know if the no call was because the referees did not know that the ball handler had stepped on Ross's foot, or if they decided that Ross had established a proper guarding position, and that the contact that was initiated by the ball handler was incidental.

Casey Jacobson on FS1 said that it was a good no call because Ross had established his position. But Robbie Plummer on the game telecast said that it was clearly a tripping foul.

When you think about it, it doesn't seem right that a player who is in position and remains stationary (as Ross did) should be called for a foul because a guy with the ball essentially runs into him. I also wonder if it matters if the defender's feet are extended outside of the width of his shoulders.

[HowardsWorld]

Everyone here has already said what I would have added. I will say that, that foul gets called 99.9% of the time we just so happen to have the ref behind the play watching so his view was kind of harder so see which caused us to fall into the .01 % of the time that's not called a foul. Simple matter is it doesn't matter if the defender tripped on chases food inadvertently, that's a foul on chase any other time.

Regardless 2nd half adjustments need to get better. We can win at Xavier, seton hall, Georgetown etc like that but if we want the conference it needs to get better.

[WarriorFan]

If that was a foul, then the play on which Chase sprained his ankle a few games ago was also a foul. 

In other words, it was not a foul.  Stepping on a guys foot is unfortunate, but incidental contact. 

[tower912]

Everyone here has already said what I would have added. I will say that, that foul gets called 99.9% of the time we just so happen to have the ref behind the play watching so his view was kind of harder so see which caused us to fall into the .01 % of the time that's not called a foul. Simple matter is it doesn't matter if the defender tripped on chases food inadvertently, that's a foul on chase any other time.

Regardless 2nd half adjustments need to get better. We can win at Xavier, seton hall, Georgetown etc like that but if we want the conference it needs to get better.

The second half adjustments led to a 15 point lead.  Stevie and Chase on the bench with foul trouble led to a comeback.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Everyone here has already said what I would have added. I will say that, that foul gets called 99.9% of the time we just so happen to have the ref behind the play watching so his view was kind of harder so see which caused us to fall into the .01 % of the time that's not called a foul. Simple matter is it doesn't matter if the defender tripped on chases food inadvertently, that's a foul on chase any other time.

Regardless 2nd half adjustments need to get better. We can win at Xavier, seton hall, Georgetown etc like that but if we want the conference it needs to get better.

*.1

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I think the first thing we have to acknowledge is the officials didn't have a good view on the final play.

One ref was ahead of the play; was he watching the ball or was he watching off the ball in case Xavier tried a long pass?

One ref was trailing; he was probably too far away to have a good look.

One ref was a mid court but on the far side with an obstructed view.

Chase didn't raise his leg in the air, which would have made a tripping foul more obvious.

So the officials have to make a split second decision without a great view of the play. And without the benefit of slow mo replay.

Did the player slip? Was Chase in legal guarding position? Was it incidental contact?

The truth is, none of know what the refs saw or what they were thinking in their ruling. But it's not like Chase tackled the guy or gave him a bear hug.  It's one of those bang bang plays that requires a split second decision. Sometimes those calls go in your favor, and sometimes they don't.