@ Xavier, @ Providence

[GoldenEagles03]

LOL. That is not what you said, but OK...

How is it not?

I said they aren't leaving him wide open just to leave him open. I also said that he is keeping the floor spaced. We are in agreement.

[wadesworld]

Teams are leaving him wide open from the perimeter, though.  Almost all of his 3 point attempts come when he pops after screening for the ball handler.  Teams are, smartly, leaving Royce open on the 3 point line to prevent the ball handler from getting into the paint with the dribble drive.  Until he starts shooting the ball better, teams will continue to do this.  If he starts shooting 3s at 40%, teams will no longer provide as much help on the ball handler, driving lanes will be more open, and the kickback pass to Royce will no longer be available.

Quite frankly, Royce should probably take a page from Oso's book and let the offense get into some secondary actions before he takes the shots he's taking.  We can get that pick and pop open 3 from him with 8 on the shot clock after we've tried to get a better look.  He doesn't need to take the first look he gets with 18 on the shot clock.

[PGsHeroes32]

How is it not?

I said they aren't leaving him wide open just to leave him open. I also said that he is keeping the floor spaced. We are in agreement.

You really are not getting it.

They all keep telling you the same thing.

Kam is elite, we all agree. Kam drives. The D collapses on Kam to stop his drive. Kam kicks to Royce who is open because the D chooses to guard Kam instead of guarding him.

If Royce was a proper "floor spacer" as you say. The D would not leave him. That is literally the point of spacing the floor. You have a guy driving to the hoop(Kam) AND a guy on the perimeter(Royce) both of which you do not want to leave open. That is floor spacing.

Making it so the D has to have someone on both men. And when they are not able to guard ROyce, they are forced to pay.

Right now neither of those are true. They are not guarding him, and they are not being made to pay for it.

Right now your argument implies I could toss on a uniform right now. Go stand behind the 3 point line and let it fly. FLoor spacer.

[GoldenEagles03]

You really are not getting it.

They all keep telling you the same thing.

Kam is elite, we all agree. Kam drives. The D collapses on Kam to stop his drive. Kam kicks to Royce who is open because the D chooses to guard Kam instead of guarding him.

If Royce was a proper "floor spacer" as you say. The D would not leave him. That is literally the point of spacing the floor. You have a guy driving to the hoop(Kam) AND a guy on the perimeter(Royce) both of which you do not want to leave open. That is floor spacing.

Making it so the D has to have someone on both men. And when they are not able to guard ROyce, they are forced to pay.

Right now neither of those are true. They are not guarding him, and they are not being made to pay for it.

Right now your argument implies I could toss on a uniform right now. Go stand behind the 3 point line and let it fly. FLoor spacer.

What you're not getting is that they will always send multiple at Kam because he is just that good. It isn't just Royce that is open, Jop is, Ben is, all our shooters are.

They aren't specifically leaving Royce for any other reason other than attention is elsewhere. Royce is a stretch 4. He absolutely is.

[Uncle Rico]

Cinema

[BM1090]

What you're not getting is that they will always send multiple at Kam because he is just that good. It isn't just Royce that is open, Jop is, Ben is, all our shooters are.

They aren't specifically leaving Royce for any other reason other than attention is elsewhere. Royce is a stretch 4. He absolutely is.

It's true that they often choose to double Kam, but defenses do not leave Jop and Ben nearly as open as they do Royce. Because both those guys have proven they can knock down shots with relative consistency. Kam gets to the hoop sometimes when they screen because the defense plays him 1 on 1 or switches.

That is not the case with Royce at this point.

[GoldenEagles03]

Unless there are some unknown injuries I would be shocked if it is 1 point spread.  I would think Marquette -3.5 more likely.

Good call! According to X (Twitter), X is a 3.5 point dog at home.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

What you're not getting is that they will always send multiple at Kam because he is just that good. It isn't just Royce that is open, Jop is, Ben is, all our shooters are.

They aren't specifically leaving Royce for any other reason other than attention is elsewhere. Royce is a stretch 4. He absolutely is.

So your assertion is that defenses would sag off of Royce to defend Kam's drives even if he shot like Sam Hauser?

[GoldenEagles03]

So your assertion is that defenses would sag off of Royce to defend Kam's drives even if he shot like Sam Hauser?

No.

My assertion is that defenses aren't overjoyed when Royce takes wide open 3s...it is something that happens throughout the course of the game when Kam puts pressure on defenses. Similar to Jop and Ben. They all are capable of shooting from the 4/5 position.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

No.

My assertion is that defenses aren't overjoyed when Royce takes wide open 3s...it is something that happens throughout the course of the game when Kam puts pressure on defenses. Similar to Jop and Ben. They all are capable of shooting from the 4/5 position.

I officially have zero idea what point you are trying to make.

[GoldenEagles03]

I officially have zero idea what point you are trying to make.

The only point is that Royce Parham is not easy to guard because he is a stretch big capable of spacing the floor with his shooting ability...that is literally it.

There is one other person so far that agrees...and that is fine.

[wadesworld]

There is one other person so far that agrees...and that is fine.

There are very few things that are that close to a consensus on Scoop.  It probably means you're wrong.  As do the fact that Royce finds himself wide open from 3 consistently, and is only shooting 23% from 3.

[MUfan12]

If you're that open, there's a reason for it. And it ain't Kam.

Any possession that ends with a Royce/Caedin/Tre/Zaide three is a win for the defense.

[Newsdreams]

Cinema

4D chess

[Hards Alumni]

There are very few things that are that close to a consensus on Scoop.  It probably means you're wrong.  As do the fact that Royce finds himself wide open from 3 consistently, and is only shooting 23% from 3.

The only point is that Royce Parham is not easy to guard because he is a stretch big capable of spacing the floor with his shooting ability...that is literally it.

There is one other person so far that agrees...and that is fine.

This is why you're getting push back.

Connect the dots.

[DoctorV]

Who will be a better career 3P shooter at Marquette, Ben or Royce?

[Shooter McGavin]

Who will be a better career 3P shooter at Marquette, Ben or Royce?

TBD. Royce will start hitting more consistently, eventually.  I like that Shaka is giving him a green light for now.  I agree with others that he could probably wait to shoot til later in a possession and see if other action works but I like his confidence.  Shaka obviously does too.  Keep shooting medium sized fella!

[Galway Eagle]

Was Royce a stretch 4 at ISU? At Maryland? GMU? Royce has shown the ability to in the future develop into a reliable stretch 4 not the consistency yet. Shaka says 3s are the most volatile stat in CBB so it's possible Royce gets a bit more consistent as he's shown he can make them.

That said the reasoning used is ridiculous.

[DoctorV]

TBD. Royce will start hitting more consistently, eventually.  I like that Shaka is giving him a green light for now.  I agree with others that he could probably wait to shoot til later in a possession and see if other action works but I like his confidence.  Shaka obviously does too.  Keep shooting medium sized fella!

Ok but this doesn't give an answer.

I'm not quite sure, but I'll guess Royce by a tick or two. I'm still not sure if Ben will be a 33, 35, or 37% shooter from 3 this year or next either, because his shooting comes in streaks like most.
His shot looks much better and more repetitive of late though, so that's great.

I think as Royce gets more mature and settles into his roll he will become a slightly better pick and pop option than Benny.