Marquette Retiring Jim Chones Jersey

[Galway Eagle]

Right. But his career was not rafter worthy.

That's fine if you feel that way, I disagree and feel his career is above others on that list. At least 4 without even diving into the data much.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That's fine if you feel that way, I disagree and feel his career is above others on that list. At least 4 without even diving into the data much.

Nah.

[TallTitan34]

Pretty much the only reason I'd consider Crowder is because he won that BEPOY... which he won over DJO.

[Galway Eagle]

Nah.

Ok. Out of curiosity would you consider

first and second team all big east and being the leading scorer on teams to be a bigger achievement than 2x honorable mention?

Is second team old big east a bigger achievement than first team CUSA?

Is Second team big east bigger than CUSA 6th man of the year/freshman of the year?

Is first and second team all big east over 3 years a bigger deal than second team all big east over 4 years?

Player who lead us to zero ncaa tournaments and got zero national accolades?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Ok. Out of curiosity would you consider

first and second team all big east and being the leading scorer on teams to be a bigger achievement than 2x honorable mention?

Is second team old big east a bigger achievement than first team CUSA?

Is Second team big east bigger than CUSA 6th man of the year/freshman of the year?

Is first and second team all big east over 3 years a bigger deal than second team all big east over 4 years?

You place too much importance on all conference teams.

[Galway Eagle]

You place too much importance on all conference teams.

So you're saying collegiate accolades which are a direct indicator of individual success isn't your barometer for retirement? What would you say is?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

So you're saying collegiate accolades which are a direct indicator of individual success isn't your barometer for retirement? What would you say is?

My opinion.

[Galway Eagle]

My opinion.

Which is what I said in the first place, to which you said "nah". I apologize for thinking you were trying to engage in a data driven debate about individuals deserving their jersey retired.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Which is what I said in the first place, to which you said "nah". I apologize for thinking you were trying to engage in a data driven debate about individuals deserving their jersey retired.

I'm not interested in engaging in a debate with someone who believes DJO is rafter-worthy.

[Galway Eagle]

I'm not interested in engaging in a debate with someone who believes DJO is rafter-worthy.

Which is not what I said. Based on the list provided I said I'd add him. I'm sorry you're misinterpreting my stance.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Which is not what I said. Based on the list provided I said I'd add him. I'm sorry you're misinterpreting my stance.

Maybe you should be more clear.

[Galway Eagle]

Maybe you should be more clear.

My responsibility isn't to ensure that for each of my posts the Hippie Satan of Hyperbole doesn't jump to conclusions. If you wanted clarity then a friendly request for clarification is always welcome.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

My responsibility isn't to ensure that for each of my posts the Hippie Satan of Hyperbole doesn't jump to conclusions. If you wanted clarity then a friendly request for clarification is always welcome.

It's not your responsibility to make your position clear? 

[Galway Eagle]

It's not your responsibility to make your position clear?

Not to specifically meet your needs. If most of the other posters understood and you did not then as I said a friendly request for clarification is always welcome Sultan.

[PJDunn]

Back to the discussion at hand. I would love to see a substitution. Chones jersey goes up, Rivers jersey comes down. I suffered through those years, and other than nailing Marotta's girlfriend and one half court shot, Rivers did not accomplish squat.

[Goose]

PJDunn

I agree 100% with you. Great call on your part.

[romey]

Back to the discussion at hand. I would love to see a substitution. Chones jersey goes up, Rivers jersey comes down. I suffered through those years, and other than nailing Marotta's girlfriend and one half court shot, Rivers did not accomplish squat.

I was there as well.  He certainly had talent, but when his jersey was retired I wasn't sold on it either.

[cheebs09]

This might be time for us to honor Apollo 11 again.

[CTWarrior]

I was there as well.  He certainly had talent, but when his jersey was retired I wasn't sold on it either.

I was there, too.  Agree with you both.  He is there more for his post-MU career.  Alot of guys with better MU careers are not up there.  Of course I would never want to take it down.

I am against Chones going up.  I can't get past leaving during a season and costing us a shot at a potential final four/championship.  Less than two seasons in the uniform and only eligible for one postseason doesn't do it for me.  Just one meaningful NCAA tournament win and that was over Miami (Ohio).  He also participated in the regional consolation win over Kentucky.  I'm not upset about it or anything, but I just don't think that is enough.

Congratulations to him, anyway!

[wadesworld]

I was there, too.  Agree with you both.  He is there more for his post-MU career.  Alot of guys with better MU careers are not up there.  Of course I would never want to take it down.

I am against Chones going up.  I can't get past leaving during a season and costing us a shot at a potential final four/championship.  Less than two seasons in the uniform and only eligible for one postseason doesn't do it for me.  Just one meaningful NCAA tournament win and that was over Miami (Ohio).  He also participated in the regional consolation win over Kentucky.  I'm not upset about it or anything, but I just don't think that is enough.

Congratulations to him, anyway!

Maybe you should've stocked his fridge for him, then.

[CTWarrior]

Maybe you should've stocked his fridge for him, then.

He could've played a couple more months and got paid by the NBA, although he probably didn't know it at the time.  They accepted undergrads for the first time that year.

I knew someone would reply with this, and I have no problem with him leaving early to make money for his family.  But I do think it left his career short of what it needed to be to have his number in the rafters.

[dgies9156]

I am against Chones going up.  I can't get past leaving during a season and costing us a shot at a potential final four/championship.  Less than two seasons in the uniform and only eligible for one postseason doesn't do it for me.  Just one meaningful NCAA tournament win and that was over Miami (Ohio).  He also participated in the regional consolation win over Kentucky.  I'm not upset about it or anything, but I just don't think that is enough.

Congratulations to him, anyway!

Jim Chones was a game changer for Marquette. Like Dean and George before him, he helped make Marquette the beast of the Midwest. The team nobody wanted to play. Ever.

Would we have recruited Bo, Butch, Maurice, Lloyd, Glenn and many others without Mr. Chones? Maybe, but his presence at Marquette made it easier for Coach McGuire to get who he wanted. When he was here, we were almost unbeatable.

At the time he turned pro, we were like 19-0 and ranked either 1 or 2 in the country. After he left, we lost to Detroit 70-49 in a horrible, disjointed game.

Had we had NIL in those days or had Coach McGuire had his version of Sam Gilbert at UCLA, Mr. Chones might have stayed. Had he stayed, we may well have had one, maybe two more Nattys. I can imagine a front life of Maurice Lucas, Larry McNeill and Jim Chones, with Lloyd and Marcus Washington as guards. We might have been the teamed that tamed Bill Walton. That would have been fun to watch.

Brother CT, my suspicion has been that your feeling about Mr. Chones is far more prevalent than mine. Before I knew more, I used to call what Mr. Chones did "the defection." I remember being furious when he left but I was thinking of myself and my desire for us to be the absolute best, not what Mr. Chones' needs or his family's needs were. Your view, and my old view, was likely the reason why his jersey took so long to make the rafters.

Again, thank you Mr. Chones for what you did for Marquette and the happiness you brought while you were here.

[MU82]

I was there, too.  Agree with you both.  He is there more for his post-MU career.  Alot of guys with better MU careers are not up there.  Of course I would never want to take it down.

I am against Chones going up.  I can't get past leaving during a season and costing us a shot at a potential final four/championship.  Less than two seasons in the uniform and only eligible for one postseason doesn't do it for me.  Just one meaningful NCAA tournament win and that was over Miami (Ohio).  He also participated in the regional consolation win over Kentucky.  I'm not upset about it or anything, but I just don't think that is enough.

Congratulations to him, anyway!

This is a fair take. You're not saying Chones lacked good reasons to leave when he did. You're simply saying that he didn't play enough games for Marquette or help the team achieve enough success while he was in a Marquette uniform, and it's hard to dispute those assertions. FWIW, I'm fine either way on his jersey being retired.

[Its DJOver]

Isn't lack of team success the main reason that the posters that don't want Markus' jersey/number retired cite?  Curious that a lot of those posters seem to be fine with Chones getting the nod. Personally I'm fine with both being up there, with TKO following shortly, but don't think anyone else has the resume to warrant the honor.

[willie warrior]

Did he get his degree?

Did you?