2024-25 NBA Thread

[MuggsyB]

I caught a bit of a conversation this morning on NBA Radio about 2 guys who "should be in the Hall of Fame":  Gus Williams and Mark Aguirre.  Both are pretty much before my time  but the hosts were rather emphatic both should be in.  Thoughts? Wasn't Gus Williams somewhat of a badass leading Seattle to a title in '79?   I know a lot more about Aguirre as a Chitown native.  I believe his nickname in hs at Westinghouse was Fat Daddy.  He had a beautiful post game. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Both were solid players, occasional All-Stars, who belong in the Hall of Very Good.

[MuggsyB]

Both were solid players, occasional All-Stars, who belong in the Hall of Very Good.

But you have to take into account who is in and whether they were better.

[Uncle Rico]

But you have to take into account who is in and whether they were better.

No

[MuggsyB]

No

Is Billups better than Gus Williams?  Statistically he's not. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

But you have to take into account who is in and whether they were better.

No I don't. Just because mistakes were made in the past, that shouldn't dictate that they should be made in the future.

I mean if we put everbody better than Harold Baines into Cooperstown, we'd have to double the size of the place.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Is Billups better than Gus Williams?  Statistically he's not. 

He shouldn't be there either.

[MuggsyB]

Then there are a lot of "miatakes". 

[Jockey]

Gus Williams should be in just for being a high school teammate of Earl Tatum.

Aguirre absolutely should be in. He excelled at every level.

National High school player of the year.

Multiple season all-American in college.

Excellent NBA player who would have been better without multiple seasons in the wasteland of Detroit.

[tower912]

Where he won his only championships.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

[MuggsyB]

I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

Look at some of the people that are in Fluffy.  This isn't just about the Euro or International players. 

[Jockey]

I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

Then I think we agree. NBA only? Nope.

Total career? Yes.

[Jockey]

Where he won his only championships.

Yeah, but everyone outside of Michigan hated those teams. 

[tower912]

Which made it all the sweeter.   

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Look at some of the people that are in Fluffy.  This isn't just about the Euro or International players. 

Again I don't care who's in. Mistakes shouldn't compound mistakes.

[MuggsyB]

Again I don't care who's in. Mistakes shouldn't compound mistakes.

Who determines "mistakes"?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Who determines "mistakes"?

You asked for an opinion. I gave it.

[MU82]

I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

Aguirre has a good argument because he was a special college and HS player as well as a darn good NBA player. Gus Williams ... I don't see him as much of a Hall candidate.

[MU82]

It's shocking that Kawhi Leonard is out "indefinitely" with knee problems. Clippers still be Clippin'.

[JWags85]

Clippers are gonna be terrible.  Get ready for epic Harden stat padding games

[wadesworld]

Bucks trying to open a roster spot to sign Thenasis, with a torn achilles no less. Meanwhile the C's just cut Lonnie Walker.

[MuggsyB]

Any thoughts on Wemby year 2?  What are reasonable expectations?

[Jockey]

He'll play well.

[Shaka Shart]

Skinny neck