Quite The Juxtaposition

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

talk about self righteous...you go off on a personal preference of maintaining the amateur status of college athletics. WTH? It's as simple as that, a preference of maintaining the amateur status of collegiate athletics.
If you attend the open practice on 10/05, we can discuss. I'll wear a giant name tag so as easy to find.

I'm fine discussing it here.

It is your personal preference.  But your personal preference is that student athletes be poorer then they would have been, that they lose potentially life changing money for them and their family when many of them come from low income households. And you want them to do this for no other reason than it is your preference. You haven't articulated any benefit it would have for the common good.

I'm not trying to be self righteous,  I'm trying to help you understand the potential ramifications of your personal prefrence.

[Pakuni]

don't forget the taxes Kam will have to pay on that private school scholarship too. Much like the pros, he will be taxed in every state in which he plays a game too.

Earning $100K and paying taxes on it is still way better than earning nothing tax-free.

[Its DJOver]

A lot of circular arguments. NIL isn't going away, and if that causes some to no longer be fans it sure seems like the sport will survive.

[tower912]

^^^^^^^^

[Uncle Rico]

A lot of circular arguments. NIL isn't going away, and if that causes some to no longer be fans it sure seems like the sport will survive.

Correct.  If someone no longer wants to be a fan because "shamateurism" is gone, that's fine. 

I hate conference realignment and have taken in far less college football over the past dozen years or so.  The sport seems fine with my lesser involvement.  Always something else out there

[Viper]

I offered a solution.  Get rid of scholarships.  Amateurism is dead.  Pine for it all you want.  If you think NIL is going away, the transfer portal is going away and players are just going to take a scholarship and shut up and dribble, well, good luck with that. 

That isn't a solution that is going to happen.

could I at least get the shut up & dribble?

[Viper]

I'm fine discussing it here.

It is your personal preference.  But your personal preference is that student athletes be poorer then they would have been, that they lose potentially life changing money for them and their family when many of them come from low income households. And you want them to do this for no other reason than it is your preference. You haven't articulated any benefit it would have for the common good.

I'm not trying to be self righteous,  I'm trying to help you understand the potential ramifications of your personal prefrence.

side note, I think I graduated with your Dad. Small world...or I'm old? Or both?

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/as-college-athletics-prepares-for-revenue-sharing-fallout-leaders-wonder-is-a-breakaway-from-the-ncaa-next/

This is any amateurism doesn't exist

[lawdog77]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/as-college-athletics-prepares-for-revenue-sharing-fallout-leaders-wonder-is-a-breakaway-from-the-ncaa-next/

This is any amateurism doesn't exist

I could see football thriving in that scenario,but not basketball. That would just be a version of theG league

[StillAWarrior]

Earning $100K and paying taxes on it is still way better than earning nothing tax-free.

Actually, these guys do have to pay taxes on the portion of their scholarship that is not tied to tuition, books, etc. The room, board, etc. is taxed. But I don't disagree with your underlying point.

[Uncle Rico]

I could see football thriving in that scenario,but not basketball. That would just be a version of theG league

They should split football from the rest of college sports.  I think.

It would be a great opportunity to create something incredibly unique and still compelling.

If the inevitable outcome is the SEC and Big Ten leaving and creating their own world, it would behoove them to bring along the Big XII and ACC, or some zombie version of those two after the ACC dissolves and the Big Ten and SEC pick apart the remnants.

It'll never happen and is a fantasy scenario, but for football, I'd have a Class A and Class B with regulation and promotion.  12 teams from each league in each class, with bottom 3 of A each year being regulated and top 3 of B each year being promoted.

The Big Ten and SEC want the majority of the playoff spots and if the playoff stays at 12, each in theory gets 4 and 8 total between the 2.  Is that palatable for them if another league gets a third?  I don't know but maybe their TV partners convince them it is.

Everyone has something to play for in this scenario.  It would be compelling from an entertainment standpoint as top teams jockey for playoff seeding and conference titles and the bottom half jockey to stay in Class A.

Let's face it, the have nots of these power leagues are always going to be at the bottom.  Occasionally, Purdue might challenge for the Big Ten but reality is, they probably aren't. 

Of course, University presidents would be appalled at this idea and probably most fans because a lot of the lower programs in these leagues will never sniff a higher level or be regularly competitive.  But I think it would be a better product and highly entertaining.

[DFW HOYA]

They should split football from the rest of college sports.  I think.

It would be a great opportunity to create something incredibly unique and still compelling.

If the inevitable outcome is the SEC and Big Ten leaving and creating their own world, it would behoove them to bring along the Big XII and ACC, or some zombie version of those two after the ACC dissolves and the Big Ten and SEC pick apart the remnants. It'll never happen and is a fantasy scenario, but for football, I'd have a Class A and Class B with regulation and promotion. 

There are 263 NCAA Division I schools playing football. That Group B wil be a massive collection of teams.

[Uncle Rico]

There are 263 NCAA Division I schools playing football. That Group B wil be a massive collection of teams.

It would be from the Big 10, SEC and whatever zombie league is next in line.

My proposal is 72 teams from those 3 leagues.

I thought about possibly making it tiered beyond that but know the money sharing and likelihood of that ever happening would be even more unlikely than the proposal I made

[Pakuni]

There are 263 NCAA Division I schools playing football. That Group B wil be a massive collection of teams.

About half of them are FCS teams, most of which have no interest in playing at a higher level.

[DFW HOYA]

About half of them are FCS teams, most of which have no interest in playing at a higher level.

Nearly all state-funded schools at the FCS level aspire to FBS, for one reason: it is seen as the ticket to greater enrollment and ultimately, greater state funding.

The Sun Belt Conference is composed of 14 state schools, 13 of which came from from FCS.  A school like Appalachian State University in mountainous Boone, NC, now has over 20,000 students and is the sixth largest school in the state, largely from football.

[The Sultan]

Nearly all state-funded schools at the FCS level aspire to FBS

I think this is inaccurate. The Big Sky, MVC, OVC, SWAC, MEAC, etc. are all full of public schools with no realistic goals to become FBS schools. There may be some Southland and Southern, but even then they know the chances are completely unrealistic.

[Pakuni]

Nearly all state-funded schools at the FCS level aspire to FBS, for one reason: it is seen as the ticket to greater enrollment and ultimately, greater state funding.

No way. You think Western Illinois and Central Connecticut State and Indiana State want to be FBS? Portland State? Morgan State?

A school like Appalachian State University in mountainous Boone, NC, now has over 20,000 students and is the sixth largest school in the state, largely from football.

Any evidence for this?

[wiscwarrior]

I now live in the Boone area and can attest to the number of students at App State. It is north of 20,000. In addition, App State has a 40,000 seat stadium that regularly sells out.

[Shooter McGavin]

I now live in the Boone area and can attest to the number of students at App State. It is north of 20,000. In addition, App State has a 40,000 seat stadium that regularly sells out.

Always got the allure of big time college football.  Never have gotten the allure of FCS football.  It seems as interesting as club football.  Is a second tier championship really that worth getting in too as a fan?  I'm in trouble if MU gets relegated to a second tier basketball tournament. I will literally have zero interest.

[The Sultan]

Always got the allure of big time college football.  Never have gotten the allure of FCS football.  It seems as interesting as club football.  Is a second tier championship really that worth getting in too as a fan?  I'm in trouble if MU gets relegated to a second tier basketball tournament. I will literally have zero interest.

FCS football is awesome. High quality games with large fan support at a lot of these schools. I spent some time in Missoula and they live their Montana football. The Big Sky is full of rivalries that their fans truly get fired up about.

And most have no desire to move up to FBS. It worked out for Boise, but the rest know it would be very difficult.

[The Sultan]

I now live in the Boone area and can attest to the number of students at App State. It is north of 20,000. In addition, App State has a 40,000 seat stadium that regularly sells out.

They've done a good job mixing football with other program development to grow as an institution. It helps that the state has grown so much as well.

[Shooter McGavin]

FCS football is awesome. High quality games with large fan support at a lot of these schools. I spent some time in Missoula and they live their Montana football. The Big Sky is full of rivalries that their fans truly get fired up about.

And most have no desire to move up to FBS. It worked out for Boise, but the rest know it would be very difficult.

Football is a religion for many.  No doubt.   

[MU82]

The atmosphere at App State games is incredible. The students and alums go crazy, and the entire community has bought in. No opponent wants to play in Boone, and not many P4 teams want to play App State anywhere.

My best Charlotte friend in the area is an alum, and he loved seeing the playoffs expanded to 12 teams.

[Hards Alumni]

Always got the allure of big time college football.  Never have gotten the allure of FCS football.  It seems as interesting as club football.  Is a second tier championship really that worth getting in too as a fan?  I'm in trouble if MU gets relegated to a second tier basketball tournament. I will literally have zero interest.

Look man, a lot of places don't have a whole lot going on for entertainment.  Football Saturday college atmosphere is fun no matter what.  Even if the games don't matter much it is something to do and look forward to.  Especially, since the price to enjoy that day is much more reasonable than going to LSU/Alabama. 

Personally, I don't care much about college football.  I watch less than five games all year.  But if someone wants to go downtown to hang out and walk around near Camp Randall for a morning/afternoon/night I will say yes every time.  Because fun is fun.  I don't need to have a rooting interest in either team to enjoy the atmosphere.

[Uncle Rico]

Look man, a lot of places don't have a whole lot going on for entertainment.  Football Saturday college atmosphere is fun no matter what.  Even if the games don't matter much it is something to do and look forward to.  Especially, since the price to enjoy that day is much more reasonable than going to LSU/Alabama. 

Personally, I don't care much about college football.  I watch less than five games all year.  But if someone wants to go downtown to hang out and walk around near Camp Randall for a morning/afternoon/night I will say yes every time.  Because fun is fun.  I don't need to have a rooting interest in either team to enjoy the atmosphere.

Agree.  I'm no Badgers fan but the atmosphere on game day is a blast.  Especially if they lose