Quite The Juxtaposition

[The Sultan]

I think the confusion stems from a clear lack of ROI on a company's investment with these athletes.  So it's not really NIL.  Its fantasy football for the rich.

Cooper Flagg is how NIL was supposed to work.  Real stars able to make money off their NIL.  He will and probably already does sell new balance shoes because of his affiliation.  It was a shame that Zion could not do the same thing.  That was the injustice that was solved. J. Lewis getting a couple free burgers was made legal but he didn't help sell more burgers.  That restaurant probably could have saved a couple thousand dollars though and just given him a couple free burgers.

This is the "if we don't pay them, they won't come to our school and our team won't be good fund".  IWDPTtWCTOSAOTWBG fund.   This fund has zero to do with NIL and more to do with paying players a salary for their skill to stay competitive.  The only direct ROI beneficiaries are the schools themselves (marketing for more enrollment at full price) in the vast majority of cases. 

So in many ways this is a farce and not really as intended.  It's only a fan base paying players as fantasy football GMs for their work/skill on the field or court. 

No need to call it NIL anymore. That is disingenuous.  It's the IWDPTtWCTOSAOTWBG fund.  And that's ok. 

Yeah I don't disagree with much here. Only with how NIL was "supposed" to work. It was always going to end up working getting money to the players to play at a certain school.

Also in many ways, NIL collectives are cleaner in that they provide organizational consistency. And likely are a one stop shop for tax notifications, etc. Sure it would be better if it were just the schools but this works.

[avid1010]

I think the confusion stems from a clear lack of ROI on a company's investment with these athletes.  So it's not really NIL.  Its fantasy football for the rich.

Cooper Flagg is how NIL was supposed to work.  Real stars able to make money off their NIL.  He will and probably already does sell new balance shoes because of his affiliation.  It was a shame that Zion could not do the same thing.  That was the injustice that was solved. J. Lewis getting a couple free burgers was made legal but he didn't help sell more burgers.  That restaurant probably could have saved a couple thousand dollars though and just given him a couple free burgers.

This is the "if we don't pay them, they won't come to our school and our team won't be good fund".  IWDPTtWCTOSAOTWBG fund.   This fund has zero to do with NIL and more to do with paying players a salary for their skill to stay competitive.  The only direct ROI beneficiaries are the schools themselves (marketing for more enrollment at full price) in the vast majority of cases. 

So in many ways this is a farce and not really as intended.  It's only a fan base paying players as fantasy football GMs for their work/skill on the field or court. 

No need to call it NIL anymore. That is disingenuous.  It's the IWDPTtWCTOSAOTWBG fund.  And that's ok.

This is how the free market works.  I'll buy insurance whether or not my insurance company spends ridiculous amounts of money on corporate outings and other frivolous things...but they will tell you that they can't attract and retain top talent without doing so.

[Shooter McGavin]

No doubt.  They are just not being paid for NIL in the vast majority of cases.  No one gives a crap about their name or image or likeness. They are paying them for their skill on the field or court without any benefit besides wins and losses on the field or court.  Just call it like it is. 

[willie warrior]

  why?  enlighten me then.  i have the same questions about this as many out there.  why can't i question this?  i liked college athletics as it was before.  just like many of you out here-just shut up and accept it?  we are the "all knowing" and know what's best for all of you dummies out there? 

sounds pretty arrogant reeeko...no surprise

Why would you expect anything else from that guy? The one who smugly thinks he is smarter than all others but in reality is far from it. NIL is like the wild west. Why did Wright get out? He saw this coming. Why the hell did Saban get out? He has already said Why.
Loyalty from players is diminishing and the first thing he heard from recruits is: "How much am I getting?" Have to respect what guys like Shaka and Dabo are trying to do, but Dabo is already getting crucified by the talking heads and by other teams like Georgia. Sort of like pissing in the wind for guys like that. It is especially prevalent in college football. The rich seem to be getting richer so where does it end? Probably takes most of the fun out of college athletics for football and basketball.

[The Sultan]

Why would you expect anything else from that guy? The one who smugly thinks he is smarter than all others but in reality is far from it. NIL is like the wild west. Why did Wright get out? He saw this coming. Why the hell did Saban get out? He has already said Why.
Loyalty from players is diminishing and the first thing he heard from recruits is: "How much am I getting?" Have to respect what guys like Shaka and Dabo are trying to do, but Dabo is already getting crucified by the talking heads and by other teams like Georgia. Sort of like pissing in the wind for guys like that. It is especially prevalent in college football. The rich seem to be getting richer so where does it end? Probably takes most of the fun out of college athletics for football and basketball.

Yes.  Never has college sports, especially football, been dominated by a small number of wealthy programs. 🙄🙄🙄

Man, a lot of supposed college sports fans have a complete lack of knowledge about the history of college sports.

[Pakuni]

what's keeping a team from allotting $30 million, $40 million...$100 million?  when is someone going to cry foul?  when people are sick and tired of seeing alabamas, georgias, ohio states, michigans every year?  time for a little more "landscaping" eyn'a?

  by worse, i mean more confusing.  usually there are boundaries, laws, rules etc.  when these cease to be or they become more and more gray, we will have "confusion"  it seems the goal lines or the heights of the rims are being changed, but no one knows what they will be game to game, season to season

If only the NCAA could have had any way to see this coming and installed some guardrails.

[Viper]

Please enlighten us on what caps pro sports have on what their athletes can make in NIL.

...isn't college sports now pro? Amateur status long gone.

[The Sultan]

...isn't college sports now pro? Amateur status long gone.

Hallelujah! 

[Viper]

Ok, commie

...weirdo

[tower912]

I am betting Dabo is glad he decided to not take calls during the post-game show.  Heh.

NIL will sort itself out, like most things do.  Right now, it is new and chaotic.   There have already been discussions and speculation that some of the Big money will fry up due to lack of ROI and lack of clear causality.   

Eventually, a clear set of rules will be formulated.   There will be the wailing, gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, whataboutism that comes with every change and every non-change.

Then everybody will get to work figuring out how to cheat this new set of rules.   And the haves will remain ahead of the have nots.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

yes, i read what you wrote.  i still struggle with the concept in college sports.  you know it's going to become a chit show sooner or later.  if you cannot see that, then i also struggle with your decision making process.  making decisions without looking at potential problems down the road.  it seems this NIL thing hasn't been thought out very thoroughly except for the fact that we cannot prevent someone from making as much money as someone else is willing to pay them

You want to artifically limit how much someone can make in the free maket? Better get that Commie crap out of my Murica comrade Rocket surgeon

[rocket surgeon]

You want to artifically limit how much someone can make in the free maket? Better get that Commie crap out of my Murica comrade Rocket surgeon

no i don't but i think you know what i mean...i think

scooter explains it very well-oh yeah, let's call it NIL, wink wink boy are they going to give their product a boo$t.  if you were to weigh in on the "investment" part, i'm pretty sure the stock holders would wonder

[Uncle Rico]

...weirdo

The weirdos are the ones that miss amateurism

[Uncle Rico]

Why would you expect anything else from that guy? The one who smugly thinks he is smarter than all others but in reality is far from it. NIL is like the wild west. Why did Wright get out? He saw this coming. Why the hell did Saban get out? He has already said Why.
Loyalty from players is diminishing and the first thing he heard from recruits is: "How much am I getting?" Have to respect what guys like Shaka and Dabo are trying to do, but Dabo is already getting crucified by the talking heads and by other teams like Georgia. Sort of like pissing in the wind for guys like that. It is especially prevalent in college football. The rich seem to be getting richer so where does it end? Probably takes most of the fun out of college athletics for football and basketball.

Derp

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

no i don't but i think you know what i mean...i think

scooter explains it very well-oh yeah, let's call it NIL, wink wink boy are they going to give their product a boo$t.  if you were to weigh in on the "investment" part, i'm pretty sure the stock holders would wonder

So if everything was exactly the same but they called it BPA (boosters paying athletes) instead of NIL, you would have no issues with it?

[Elonsmusk]

You want to artifically limit how much someone can make in the free maket? Better get that Commie crap out of my Murica comrade Rocket surgeon

What are your thoughts on salary caps in pro sports?  Should the NCAA enact salary caps?  Is parity good or bad in professional/college sports? 

In my opinion parity is good, and is what generates the most interest in sports and subsequent revenue for the players.  If there were no salary caps professional football wouldn't have nearly the interest - Green Bay wouldn't stand a chance.  Major league baseball had to modify its structure to give small market teams like Milwaukee some fighting chance at success.

If you have a system that will bear out a handful of teams that are always good because they can pay the most and buy a roster, it diminishes broad interest.  Sports are physical competitions that involve on court/field strategy, yet you can have the best strategy and coaching, but if your talent (athleticism/skill) isn't good - you can't thrive.

[tower912]

I get it, EM.  It took quite a while and multiple strike/work stoppages to get the bastardized salary caps systems that now exist.   To think that an efficient, practical, fair, equitable system is going to spring up overnight in college athletics is, IMO, a trifle optimistic.

[Uncle Rico]

I get it, EM.  It took quite a while and multiple strike/work stoppages to get the bastardized salary caps systems that now exist.   To think that an efficient, practical, fair, equitable system is going to spring up overnight in college athletics is, IMO, a trifle optimistic.

As long as the players have no rights and play for the name on the front of the jersey, it'll be fine

[Lennys Tap]

You want to artifically limit how much someone can make in the free maket? Better get that Commie crap out of my Murica comrade Rocket surgeon

So you don't object to the players forming unions, negotiating minimums and many other benefits but a maximum (cap) for the guys writing the checks is Commie crap. Interesting.

[tower912]

That ship has sailed.   Acknowledging that, propose the kind of system you want.   I don't need minutiae, but give the broad themes.
Who pays?  Boosters?   Taxpayers?
Salary cap?
Enployee of the university?
Transfer rules and what happens to the previously committed money?
Guaranteed money?  Injuries? Poor grades?
If the kid turns into a superstar, and the university sells 10,000 Miletic jerseys, what is his cut?   If they continue to sell after he goes pro, what is his cut?


Stuff like that.   Design/propose your ideal system that has the kids making some $.  I go back to the legend of Jim Chones.  If there had been NIL money, would his refrigerator have been empty?

[Uncle Rico]

That ship has sailed.   Acknowledging that, propose the kind of system you want.   I don't need minutiae, but give the broad themes.
Who pays?  Boosters?   Taxpayers?
Salary cap?
Enployee of the university?
Transfer rules and what happens to the previously committed money?
Guaranteed money?  Injuries? Poor grades?
If the kid turns into a superstar, and the university sells 10,000 Miletic jerseys, what is his cut?   If they continue to sell after he goes pro, what is his cut?


Stuff like that.   Design/propose your ideal system that has the kids making some $.  I go back to the legend of Jim Chones.  If there had been NIL money, would his refrigerator have been empty?

The problem isn't the boosters or the players.  The problem is the universities and NCAA that buried their heads in the sand for the last 25 years and had no plan in place.

They got their fat TV checks and want the government to fix their malfeasance and neglect.  That's where the problem is.  The people in charge are the problem, not NIL

[tower912]

I would argue if I could.  You forgot to add while they had their head in the sand, they were simultaneously destroying rivalries, conferences, traditions, all in an arms race to make the most money.

[avid1010]

Why would you expect anything else from that guy? The one who smugly thinks he is smarter than all others but in reality is far from it. NIL is like the wild west. Why did Wright get out? He saw this coming. Why the hell did Saban get out? He has already said Why.
Loyalty from players is diminishing and the first thing he heard from recruits is: "How much am I getting?" Have to respect what guys like Shaka and Dabo are trying to do, but Dabo is already getting crucified by the talking heads and by other teams like Georgia. Sort of like pissing in the wind for guys like that. It is especially prevalent in college football. The rich seem to be getting richer so where does it end? Probably takes most of the fun out of college athletics for football and basketball.

See Rocket...Willie agrees with you.  You have to admit that's not a good sign.

[avid1010]

The WIAA proposed NIL rules for high school athletes that were highly restrictive.  My favorite rule being that you could not donate to athletes and a school.  I bet colleges would get on board with that

[Uncle Rico]

I would argue if I could.  You forgot to add while they had their head in the sand, they were simultaneously destroying rivalries, conferences, traditions, all in an arms race to make the most money.

Yup.  The hand-wringing over NIL when the powers that be have done more damage to college athletics is quite humorous to me.

But universities sold their souls a century ago for big-time college athletics.