Quite The Juxtaposition

[bradforster]

CBS Sports columnists continue to praise Shaka for eschewing the transfer portal and making an investment in his own players.  The same cannot be said for Dabo Swinney at Clemson.  It is - of course - a different sport with much larger rosters to fill, but I still find it an interesting parallel.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/clemsons-lopsided-loss-to-georgia-provides-latest-indictment-on-dabo-swinney-shunning-transfer-portal-era/

[The Sultan]

It's not that hard to figure out. If Dabo's way was successful, they'd be praising it. If Shaka's way wasn't, they'd be criticizing it.

[PointWarrior]

Fielding a starting 5 and bench of 10 seemingly is easier than 22 starters and 22 for 2 deep and specialists. And way cheaper NIL money needed. 

[tower912]

If MU has a .500 season, the knives will come out for Shaka.   

[Scoop Snoop]

If MU has a .500 season, the knives will come out for Shaka.   

On Scoop, anything less than making it to the FF and there will be coaches saying he should have improved the team via the portal.

[tower912]

So, not really different than Clemson.

[rocket surgeon]

the NIL is going to get worse before it gets better...it's kind of a "lawless" way to do what they were all doing before, except on a different scale. 

the rules are made to be broken, except in a "legal" way now.  he who knows how to traverse the NIL "minefield" wins

can anyone tell me what the limits are?  in other words, a salary cap, oops, i mean NIL cap hasn't really been established so let the feast begin, i mean continue...until someone calls foul.  send lawyers (lots of them) guns (ohhhh guns bad) and MONEY

[The Sultan]

The rules are that players can make unlimited amount of NIL money - just like players in the NFL, NBA, etc.

There is no "salary cap" because college players are not (yet) considered employees, cannot (yet) form a union, and can't (yet) come to a collective bargaining agreement where they agree to limit their compensation.

Outside of federal action, which IMO would be awful, any sort of cap on outside income would be illegal.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "get worse before it gets better." Why does there have to be a value judgement here? It's just another way that the college sports landscape has changed.

[Uncle Rico]

the NIL is going to get worse before it gets better...it's kind of a "lawless" way to do what they were all doing before, except on a different scale. 

the rules are made to be broken, except in a "legal" way now.  he who knows how to traverse the NIL "minefield" wins

can anyone tell me what the limits are?  in other words, a salary cap, oops, i mean NIL cap hasn't really been established so let the feast begin, i mean continue...until someone calls foul.  send lawyers (lots of them) guns (ohhhh guns bad) and MONEY

Please leave this topic to people that know what they speak of.

[rocket surgeon]

The rules are that players can make unlimited amount of NIL money - just like players in the NFL, NBA, etc.

There is no "salary cap" because college players are not (yet) considered employees, cannot (yet) form a union, and can't (yet) come to a collective bargaining agreement where they agree to limit their compensation.

Outside of federal action, which IMO would be awful, any sort of cap on outside income would be illegal.

Also, I don't know what you mean by "get worse before it gets better." Why does there have to be a value judgement here? It's just another way that the college sports landscape has changed.

what's keeping a team from allotting $30 million, $40 million...$100 million?  when is someone going to cry foul?  when people are sick and tired of seeing alabamas, georgias, ohio states, michigans every year?  time for a little more "landscaping" eyn'a?

  by worse, i mean more confusing.  usually there are boundaries, laws, rules etc.  when these cease to be or they become more and more gray, we will have "confusion"  it seems the goal lines or the heights of the rims are being changed, but no one knows what they will be game to game, season to season

 

[rocket surgeon]

Please leave this topic to people that know what they speak of.

  why?  enlighten me then.  i have the same questions about this as many out there.  why can't i question this?  i liked college athletics as it was before.  just like many of you out here-just shut up and accept it?  we are the "all knowing" and know what's best for all of you dummies out there? 

sounds pretty arrogant reeeko...no surprise

[The Sultan]

what's keeping a team from allotting $30 million, $40 million...$100 million?  when is someone going to cry foul?  when people are sick and tired of seeing alabamas, georgias, ohio states, michigans every year?  time for a little more "landscaping" eyn'a?

  by worse, i mean more confusing.  usually there are boundaries, laws, rules etc.  when these cease to be or they become more and more gray, we will have "confusion"  it seems the goal lines or the heights of the rims are being changed, but no one knows what they will be game to game, season to season

Has there ever been an era where college athletics, and especially college football, hasn't been top heavy and dominated by a handful of programs?  Yet the marketplace doesn't seem to care. Ratings are huge.

And what exactly is confusing about it? Players can make what the marketplace dictates, and they pay taxes on that income. There is no grey - it's actually much more clear than the days of boosters dropping a bag.

[Uncle Rico]

Has there ever been an era where college athletics, and especially college football, hasn't been top heavy and dominated by a handful of programs?  Yet the marketplace doesn't seem to care. Ratings are huge.

And what exactly is confusing about it? Players can make what the marketplace dictates, and they pay taxes on that income. There is no grey - it's actually much more clear than the days of boosters dropping a bag.

Some people hate market economics

[rocket surgeon]

Has there ever been an era where college athletics, and especially college football, hasn't been top heavy and dominated by a handful of programs?  Yet the marketplace doesn't seem to care. Ratings are huge.

And what exactly is confusing about it? Players can make what the marketplace dictates, and they pay taxes on that income. There is no grey - it's actually much more clear than the days of boosters dropping a bag.

  i agree it is more clear than boosters dropping bags, but what are the limits? even pro sports have limits.

[rocket surgeon]

Some people hate market economics

this is a little bit more than market economics

[Uncle Rico]

this is a little bit more than market economics

Ok, commie

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

  i agree it is more clear than boosters dropping bags, but what are the limits? even pro sports have limits.

Please enlighten us on what caps pro sports have on what their athletes can make in NIL.

[The Sultan]

  i agree it is more clear than boosters dropping bags, but what are the limits? even pro sports have limits.

Did you read what I wrote above?

There are no NIL limits. And there are no NIL limits in "pro sports" either.

There are salary caps in pro sports because they are unionized employees who agree to limit their compensation with a salary cap. Since student athletes aren't employees, they don't (yet) receive income directly from the schools outside of a non-taxable, cost of attendance scholarship.

[rocket surgeon]

Did you read what I wrote above?

There are no NIL limits. And there are no NIL limits in "pro sports" either.

There are salary caps in pro sports because they are unionized employees who agree to limit their compensation with a salary cap. Since student athletes aren't employees, they don't (yet) receive income directly from the schools outside of a non-taxable, cost of attendance scholarship.

yes, i read what you wrote.  i still struggle with the concept in college sports.  you know it's going to become a chit show sooner or later.  if you cannot see that, then i also struggle with your decision making process.  making decisions without looking at potential problems down the road.  it seems this NIL thing hasn't been thought out very thoroughly except for the fact that we cannot prevent someone from making as much money as someone else is willing to pay them

[The Sultan]

yes, i read what you wrote.  i still struggle with the concept in college sports.  you know it's going to become a chit show sooner or later.  if you cannot see that, then i also struggle with your decision making process.  making decisions without looking at potential problems down the road.  it seems this NIL thing hasn't been thought out very thoroughly except for the fact that we cannot prevent someone from making as much money as someone else is willing to pay them

This is only a problem if you cling to the old way of thinking about college athletics.  That era is dead, gone and buried.

And this era is upon us because those running college athletics did not adapt to new ways of thinking. The writing was on the wall when the O'Bannon case was lost, but instead of reforming, they did a combination of burying their heads in the sand and issuing laughable threats. Remember the "we will not invite schools from states that allow NIL to NCAA championships?" Chicos was all over that when California adopted its NIL law - as if it was EVER in the NCAA's best interest to disallow schools from the largest state in the country to participate in NCAA tournaments.

And none of this is a sh*t show. It's just the new way athletics is managed. My advice is just watch the games and enjoy them.

[avid1010]

except for the fact that we cannot prevent someone from making as much money as someone else is willing to pay them

This is literally what you stand for in life.  I don't love NIL...but you don't get to complain about it.

[Uncle Rico]

This is literally what you stand for in life.

Quite the juxtaposition

[The Sultan]

I will also point out that it's the schools that don't want to make student athletes employees due to the expense for items like worker's comp insurance. So they are the ones preventing any sort of salary cap.

Of course they want federal legislation instead, but that's going nowhere - thankfully.

[Shooter McGavin]

  i agree it is more clear than boosters dropping bags, but what are the limits? even pro sports have limits.

I think the confusion stems from a clear lack of ROI on a company's investment with these athletes.  So it's not really NIL.  Its fantasy football for the rich.

Cooper Flagg is how NIL was supposed to work.  Real stars able to make money off their NIL.  He will and probably already does sell new balance shoes because of his affiliation.  It was a shame that Zion could not do the same thing.  That was the injustice that was solved. J. Lewis getting a couple free burgers was made legal but he didn't help sell more burgers.  That restaurant probably could have saved a couple thousand dollars though and just given him a couple free burgers.

This is the "if we don't pay them, they won't come to our school and our team won't be good fund".  IWDPTtWCTOSAOTWBG fund.   This fund has zero to do with NIL and more to do with paying players a salary for their skill to stay competitive.  The only direct ROI beneficiaries are the schools themselves (marketing for more enrollment at full price) in the vast majority of cases. 

So in many ways this is a farce and not really as intended.  It's only a fan base paying players as fantasy football GMs for their work/skill on the field or court. 

No need to call it NIL anymore. That is disingenuous.  It's the IWDPTtWCTOSAOTWBG fund.  And that's ok. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Fielding a starting 5 and bench of 10 seemingly is easier than 22 starters and 22 for 2 deep and specialists. And way cheaper NIL money needed.

This. 13 scholarships compared to 85 as well. And in hoops one or two great players affect the success of a team far more than in football.