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Galway Eagle

Shouldn't this really be judged by % capacity?

I mean it's cool to see us 8th but if you run a 10k arena and average 10k fans that seems like a bigger deal than averaging say 8 or 9k for crappy games then skewing it with 6 18k sell outs each year.
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 02:24:26 PM
Shouldn't this really be judged by % capacity?

I mean it's cool to see us 8th but if you run a 10k arena and average 10k fans that seems like a bigger deal than averaging say 8 or 9k for crappy games then skewing it with 6 18k sell outs each year.

I don't know what you mean by "judged." It's just a stat that Marquette uses for its benefit.
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muwarrior69

Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 28, 2024, 01:24:00 PM
Check out past attendance ranks at muoverload.com > Attendance.

Marquette has always had a great fan base.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Them other schools should build and/or play in a larger arena.

jutaw22mu

No, it should be judged by average number of fans in attendance.  The schools with the arenas that can only hold 10k fans should get bigger arenas.

jficke13

Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 02:24:26 PM
Shouldn't this really be judged by % capacity?

I mean it's cool to see us 8th but if you run a 10k arena and average 10k fans that seems like a bigger deal than averaging say 8 or 9k for crappy games then skewing it with 6 18k sell outs each year.

I suppose there's an entirely different statistic that is average % capacity filled, which may not rank MU 8th, but this stat does rank MU 8th. The different stats convey different pieces of information. I don't think one is inherently better than the other.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: jficke13 on August 28, 2024, 03:12:49 PM
I suppose there's an entirely different statistic that is average % capacity filled, which may not rank MU 8th, but this stat does rank MU 8th. The different stats convey different pieces of information. I don't think one is inherently better than the other.

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tower912

If MU had spent million$ to build an on-campus arena, MU would not be ranked 8th in total attendance.   If more games were played at the Al, MU would not be ranked 8th in attendance.   For a private school with an overall enrollment of 11k to be competitive with the UNC's, Syracuse's,  Arizona's, Sparty's of the world is something to take pride in.
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: tower912 on August 28, 2024, 03:29:53 PM
If MU had spent million$ to build an on-campus arena, MU would not be ranked 8th in total attendance.   If more games were played at the Al, MU would not be ranked 8th in attendance.   For a private school with an overall enrollment of 11k to be competitive with the UNC's, Syracuse's,  Arizona's, Sparty's of the world is something to take pride in.

Which is exactly why Marquette pushes it.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 28, 2024, 02:57:06 PM
No, it should be judged by average number of fans in attendance.  The schools with the arenas that can only hold 10k fans should get bigger arenas.

Yep. I would guess that schools with arenas that can hold a max of 10k fans know that they would not have the increased attendance to fill a larger arena. And then there are schools like DePaul and Georgetown  :) , but that's another subject.
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tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

BrewCity83

MU's 2023-24 average per home game attendance of 16,307 is an all-time high.
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tower912

Fiserv has a capacity of 17,385.   So, % is solid.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 28, 2024, 03:36:21 PM
Yep. I would guess that schools with arenas that can hold a max of 10k fans know that they would not have the increased attendance to fill a larger arena. And then there are schools like DePaul and Georgetown  :) , but that's another subject.

Granted I'm using last years data but

UD arena: capacity 13,407

Dayton attendance average: 13,407

Do you really think they're sitting there thinking "phew, glad we built the fact perfect size arena for the demand we generate" not "wow we could've gone another 2k up"?

Duke, Cameron indoor 9,314 their attendance average 9,314

Xavier cintas center actually hold 10,224 but they average slightly more at 10,286

Purdue's like Xavier average more than capacity at 14,876 when capacity is 14,804

I'm sure I could go through more arenas/teams to make my point but if you're averaging a sell out (or more) it seems like enough evidence to refute the idea that there's no greater demand for tickets than those that are in the stadium. It'd be an unreal business if they were meeting 100% demand perfectly and that demand stayed static year in year out.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 04:04:25 PM
Granted I'm using last years data but

UD arena: capacity 13,407

Dayton attendance average: 13,407

Do you really think they're sitting there thinking "phew, glad we built the fact perfect size arena for the demand we generate" not "wow we could've gone another 2k up"?

Duke, Cameron indoor 9,314 their attendance average 9,314

Xavier cintas center actually hold 10,224 but they average slightly more at 10,286

Purdue's like Xavier average more than capacity at 14,876 when capacity is 14,804

I'm sure I could go through more arenas/teams to make my point but if you're averaging a sell out (or more) it seems like enough evidence to refute the idea that there's no greater demand for tickets than those that are in the stadium. It'd be an unreal business if they were meeting 100% demand perfectly and that demand stayed static year in year out.

Nicely laid out. I was wrong.

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StillAWarrior

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 28, 2024, 01:20:46 PM
Marquette 8th in the Nation in Attendance

Last season was the first since the early-90s that I contributed to that figure. I'm considering doing so again this season.
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Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 04:04:25 PM
Granted I'm using last years data but

UD arena: capacity 13,407

Dayton attendance average: 13,407

Do you really think they're sitting there thinking "phew, glad we built the fact perfect size arena for the demand we generate" not "wow we could've gone another 2k up"?

Duke, Cameron indoor 9,314 their attendance average 9,314

Xavier cintas center actually hold 10,224 but they average slightly more at 10,286

Purdue's like Xavier average more than capacity at 14,876 when capacity is 14,804

I'm sure I could go through more arenas/teams to make my point but if you're averaging a sell out (or more) it seems like enough evidence to refute the idea that there's no greater demand for tickets than those that are in the stadium. It'd be an unreal business if they were meeting 100% demand perfectly and that demand stayed static year in year out.


Those schools could fill a larger arena, but we don't know just how big.

MU's 16,307 average surpasses the capacity of those arenas.  Some of those other programs would surpass that, some of them would not.

It's tough for a college program to fill an NBA arena because for a city to have an NBA arena automatically means that the college team is not the main hoops team in town—what else does one do in West Lafayette?  MU nation does an admirable job.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Badgerhater on August 28, 2024, 04:58:46 PM

what else does one do in West Lafayette?

Clearly you haven't been to Discount Den for a soda/pop
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muwarrior69

Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 28, 2024, 02:57:06 PM
No, it should be judged by average number of fans in attendance.  The schools with the arenas that can only hold 10k fans should get bigger arenas.

Back in my day a 10k arena was considered a big arena.

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tower912

Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 28, 2024, 05:58:30 PM
Back in my day a 10k arena was considered a big arena.
When you were walking 5 miles to school each day.   Barefoot.  In the snow.   Uphill both ways.   And you liked it.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

bilsu

100% capacity in a 10,000-seat arena is nice. However, that does not mean the same school would have 100% capacity in a 15,000-seat arena.

source?


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