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[WhiteTrash]

You're probably correct, but I do know quite a few folks that were unenthusiastic about Biden that will be enthusiastic about Harris (or any other candidate)

I think the bolded part is true.

From Forbes:
A YouGov poll conducted July 3-6 found more Democrats and independents who lean Democrat prefer Biden over Harris as the nominee, 47% to 32%, while 21% said they weren't sure.

[ATL MU Warrior]

It's possible if it's not Kamala Harris.

I'm very confident you'll be told some reason why the eventual D candidate, whoever it is, is not palatable to you.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's possible if it's not Kamala Harris.

Or someone with a D next to their name eh?

[Pakuni]

You don't say?

Campaign finance records show that Mr. Trump donated a total of $6,000 to Harris' campaigns for California attorney general, a few years before she went on to become a senator and then presidential candidate. He gave Harris $5,000 in 2011, and another $1,000 in 2013.
Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, donated $2,000 to Harris' campaign in 2014. And Mr. Trump's Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, gave $2,000 to Harris' Senate campaign in 2016. Harris served two terms as California's attorney general before she was elected to Congress.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-kamala-harris-campaign-donation-racism/

(And yes, I know rich people try to play both sides and pre-candidate Trump was no different. It's just funny)

[NCMUFan]

Next Manchurian candidate up.

[The Sultan]

Next Manchrian candidate up.

[WhiteTrash]

You don't say?

Campaign finance records show that Mr. Trump donated a total of $6,000 to Harris' campaigns for California attorney general, a few years before she went on to become a senator and then presidential candidate. He gave Harris $5,000 in 2011, and another $1,000 in 2013.
Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, donated $2,000 to Harris' campaign in 2014. And Mr. Trump's Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, gave $2,000 to Harris' Senate campaign in 2016. Harris served two terms as California's attorney general before she was elected to Congress.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-kamala-harris-campaign-donation-racism/

(And yes, I know rich people try to play both sides and pre-candidate Trump was no different. It's just funny)

I'm to lazy to look it up, but was Trump still a Democrat back then?

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Tough to keep up with this thread. I anticipate this will be my only contribution.

HC, it's pretty clear you are way out of your element here but, as noted, likely just trolling.

Goose, I would disagree. The Ds have been getting out-politicked by the Rs for 8 years now. Ds keep bringing knives to gunfights. DJT's path got harder, but still the more likely result.

82, spot on and well said. You're getting grief about this being patriotic. Heck, one could even say Nixon's decision to resign was also patriotic.

WT, you are correct that a lot of pieces have to break in their favor for the Ds to come out ahead. The good news is that in the world of elections there is a lot of time for that to happen. Studies used to show that many voters do not make up their minds until the last 10 days before the election. I don't know if that is still true in these days of hardened opinions and early voting but it may be so for the crucial centrist bloc.

1in77, I've heard multiple times from Rs how there is a behind the scenes plan to make Hillary the nominee. People who think that are unfamiliar with the egos of successful politicians.

Muggsy, how do you know patriotism was not a factor? Are you wired into the JB inner circle? Face it, you have 100% speculation based on your political leanings.

Pakuni, correct about the fighting chance. The country will see what KH is made of.

Muggsy, all politicians have huge egos. No way KH passes up this opportunity.

Muggsy, since you've come to the conclusion that JB has cognition issues that were covered up would you say DJT also has cognition issues based on his numerous verbal miscues?

HC, it will be more interesting to see who DJT pardons if he is victorious including himself possibly. Are there specific individuals you are concerned about?

In conclusion...

[DegenerateDish]

What will be interesting is if you're Pritzker/Buttigieg/Newsom/etc, and you eventually really want to be president, you almost have to seize this moment right now. My guess is all of them were eyeing a wide open 2028 election (no matter who won this November). Now all of a sudden, running in 2028 could (stressing could) be Harris for a second term. I don't think by any means Harris will be a slam dunk as the nominee.

[Uncle Rico]

Given how colossally wrong Herm is all the time, R's should be feeling good

[MU82]

What will be interesting is if you're Pritzker/Buttigieg/Newsom/etc, and you eventually really want to be president, you almost have to seize this moment right now. My guess is all of them were eyeing a wide open 2028 election (no matter who won this November). Now all of a sudden, running in 2028 could (stressing could) be Harris for a second term. I don't think by any means Harris will be a slam dunk as the nominee.

Gretchen Whitmer, who definitely wants to be president one day, already reiterated today through her surrogates that she definitely won't be a candidate in 2024. Not sure what others have said yet, if anything. Could be pretty good political theater ... or they all could fairly quickly line up behind Harris.

[MuggsyB]

Tough to keep up with this thread. I anticipate this will be my only contribution.

HC, it's pretty clear you are way out of your element here but, as noted, likely just trolling.

Goose, I would disagree. The Ds have been getting out-politicked by the Rs for 8 years now. Ds keep bringing knives to gunfights. DJT's path got harder, but still the more likely result.

82, spot on and well said. You're getting grief about this being patriotic. Heck, one could even say Nixon's decision to resign was also patriotic.

WT, you are correct that a lot of pieces have to break in their favor for the Ds to come out ahead. The good news is that in the world of elections there is a lot of time for that to happen. Studies used to show that many voters do not make up their minds until the last 10 days before the election. I don't know if that is still true in these days of hardened opinions and early voting but it may be so for the crucial centrist bloc.

1in77, I've heard multiple times from Rs how there is a behind the scenes plan to make Hillary the nominee. People who think that are unfamiliar with the egos of successful politicians.

Muggsy, how do you know patriotism was not a factor? Are you wired into the JB inner circle? Face it, you have 100% speculation based on your political leanings.

Pakuni, correct about the fighting chance. The country will see what KH is made of.

Muggsy, all politicians have huge egos. No way KH passes up this opportunity.

Muggsy, since you've come to the conclusion that JB has cognition issues that were covered up would you say DJT also has cognition issues based on his numerous verbal miscues?

HC, it will be more interesting to see who DJT pardons if he is victorious including himself possibly. Are there specific individuals you are concerned about?

In conclusion...

I believe Trump is borderline insane but cognitively is not in Dementia territory.  Joe's interviews since the debate hasn't helped his cause.  I think it's pretty evident Biden hasn't been running the country for some time.  So maybe it would have been patriotic to not run for a 2nd term at 81 and allow the primary to be won by another candidate? 

[brewcity77]

I think with Biden's endorsement and war chest, it will pretty clearly be Harris. We might see 1-2 people try to mount a challenge, but the bigger question now is the VP pick.

This week will be massive for fundraising. Party excitement on the left will be through the roof. For the last year, voters have been saying they want anyone other than Biden or Trump. As strong as Trump looked in this election, he's always been a weak candidate who only looked strong because Biden looked so poor. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, the House in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and his endorsed candidates got wiped out in 2022. I look forward to him continuing his losing ways.

[Jay Bee]

This is not a "4.5 years seems like a lot"

It's a "this has been horrendous"

#LastDays

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If Harris is the candidate, they should've just stuck with Biden. Would have been closer at least

[MuggsyB]

I think with Biden's endorsement and war chest, it will pretty clearly be Harris. We might see 1-2 people try to mount a challenge, but the bigger question now is the VP pick.

This week will be massive for fundraising. Party excitement on the left will be through the roof. For the last year, voters have been saying they want anyone other than Biden or Trump. As strong as Trump looked in this election, he's always been a weak candidate who only looked strong because Biden looked so poor. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, the House in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and his endorsed candidates got wiped out in 2022. I look forward to him continuing his losing ways.

I would expect Harris to pick someone like a Tim Ryan or Sherrod Brown.  Someone that could change the polls in the rustbelt.  I don't think it will be those that have been bandied about as Presidental candidates.  Personally, I would pick Josh Shapiro. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....

Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.

This sucks for our country.

🤣🤣🤣

[Jockey]

What will be interesting is if you're Pritzker/Buttigieg/Newsom/etc, and you eventually really want to be president, you almost have to seize this moment right now. My guess is all of them were eyeing a wide open 2028 election (no matter who won this November). Now all of a sudden, running in 2028 could (stressing could) be Harris for a second term. I don't think by any means Harris will be a slam dunk as the nominee.

My early guess would be Shapiro or Walz. 1st we will have to find out if either wants it.

[lawdog77]

I would expect Harris to pick someone like a Tim Ryan or Sherrod Brown.  Someone that could change the polls in the rustbelt.  I don't think it will be those that have been bandied about as Presidental candidates.  Personally, I would pick Josh Shapiro.

Historically, who one chooses as a VP doesn't really move the meter. Should go back to the old days where the convention chooses the VP

[The Sultan]

If Harris is the candidate, they should've just stuck with Biden. Would have been closer at least

I actually think Harris would be good. Maybe not gonna win good, mostly because I don't know who would be, but I think a former prosecutor unleashed may be what they need.

[MU82]

I would expect Harris to pick someone like a Tim Ryan or Sherrod Brown.  Someone that could change the polls in the rustbelt.  I don't think it will be those that have been bandied about as Presidental candidates.  Personally, I would pick Josh Shapiro.

Keep in mind the broader implications. For example, Sherrod Brown might be the only D who can win a Senate seat in Ohio; if you take him away you might sacrifice control of the Senate. Same with John Kelly in Arizona. Would another D win the governor's race in Pennsylvania if you took Shapiro away? Maybe, maybe not.

One name I've heard repeatedly is NC Gov Roy Cooper. He won NC twice - and rather easily in 2020 - even though Trump won the state both times. He's seen as fairly moderate. And he's term-limited, so he can't run again this year even if he wanted to. He's a little boring - certainly not a dynamic speaker - but maybe boring would be seen as pretty good in this situation.

[MuggsyB]

Historically, who one chooses as a VP doesn't really move the meter. Should go back to the old days where the convention chooses the VP

Agreed lawdog, but this isn't like any other election.  Shapiro is a very good communicator and  is pretty well liked as a Gov. 

[lawdog77]

I actually think Harris would be good. Maybe not gonna win good, mostly because I don't know who would be, but I think a former prosecutor unleashed may be what they need.

If it's Harris, Trump may just let Gabbard speak for him at the next debate

[Pakuni]

If it's Harris, Trump may just let Gabbard speak for him at the next debate

I'll be gobsmacked if Trump does another debate.

[lawdog77]

I'll be gobsmacked if Trump does another debate.

You don't think his ego is telling him that he needs to rip into the new candidate? I personally hope he does, and it costs him the election.