2024-25 Non-Conference Schedule

[The Lens]

Most schools have long stopped caring about acceptance rate. They would much rather efficiently target students for enrollment and not waste time and money reviewing apps that don't make the cut.

My HS son and 8th grade daughter are obssessed acceptance rates.  I just shake my head.  There must be some TikTok or Snap about them. 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

My HS son and 8th grade daughter are obssessed acceptance rates.  I just shake my head.  There must be some TikTok or Snap about them.

My daughters graduated high school in 2019 and 2021 and both were interested in acceptance rates when they were college searching.  I had to field that question often.

[DFW HOYA]

Most schools have long stopped caring about acceptance rate. They would much rather efficiently target students for enrollment and not waste time and money reviewing apps that don't make the cut.

Who are these schools that stopped caring? Schools like Northeastern have essentially gamed the system to drive its acceptance rate (6%) below some Ivies in an attempt to raise its profile.

Fair or (mostly) unfair,  admission rate connotes quality in the rankings and this is where Marquette (87%), Xavier (84%), and Butler (82%) have a problem combatting this.

[Billy Hoyle]

Who are these schools that stopped caring? Schools like Northeastern have essentially gamed the system to drive its acceptance rate (6%) below some Ivies in an attempt to raise its profile.

Fair or (mostly) unfair,  admission rate connotes quality in the rankings and this is where Marquette (87%), Xavier (84%), and Butler (82%) have a problem combatting this.

Not only does it connote quality in the rankings it also attracts higher level applicants.

Schools that have stopped caring about acceptance rates are more often than not focused on trying to just get more students who will pay tuition. Right now statistically we're the easiest Big East school to get into. Anecdotally, I can say the reason I did not apply to Xavier back in the 90s is their acceptance rate was higher than MU's and my dad said to hold off on seeing if I got into MU.

Any word on numbers for the incoming class this academic year?

[rgoode57]

My daughter used to be the Asst. Admissions Director for a fairly elite school in the Wash DC area and she always told me that applicants are first divided into four tiers: 1) those who can pay the full load and are seeking no financial assistance (almost always foreign applicants); 2) kids of alum; 3) those with truly stellar academic records but require financial assistance; 4) everyone else. Then the selection process starts. Applicants from tier 1 are shoo-ins, those from tier 2 are in if they have minimally acceptable academic records, and then tier 3 eats up the remaining places. The biggest group, she said, was always tier 4.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Who are these schools that stopped caring? Schools like Northeastern have essentially gamed the system to drive its acceptance rate (6%) below some Ivies in an attempt to raise its profile.

Fair or (mostly) unfair,  admission rate connotes quality in the rankings and this is where Marquette (87%), Xavier (84%), and Butler (82%) have a problem combatting this.

I said "most." I know Marquette doesn't spend much time thinking about it.

And it has nothing to do with academic quality.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Not only does it connote quality in the rankings it also attracts higher level applicants.

Schools that have stopped caring about acceptance rates are more often than not focused on trying to just get more students who will pay tuition. Right now statistically we're the easiest Big East school to get into. Anecdotally, I can say the reason I did not apply to Xavier back in the 90s is their acceptance rate was higher than MU's and my dad said to hold off on seeing if I got into MU.

Any word on numbers for the incoming class this academic year?

Marquette? Very strong. Both quantity and quality. Focused recruiting in areas where they are traditionally strong. More efficient and less bullsh*t.

The fact that you admitted you didn't look at a school because their acceptance rate is something you probably shouldn't admit publicly.

[Billy Hoyle]

Marquette? Very strong. Both quantity and quality. Focused recruiting in areas where they are traditionally strong. More efficient and less bullsh*t.

The fact that you admitted you didn't look at a school because their acceptance rate is something you probably shouldn't admit publicly.

My dad compared MU and X and the admissions stats (rate, GPA, and ACT/SAT ranges) and said "wait to see if you get int Marquette, it's a better school with higher caliber students. What's wrong with that?

Not sure this "targeted marketing" is sending that message today.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

My dad compared MU and X and the admissions stats (rate, GPA, and ACT/SAT ranges) and said "wait to see if you get int Marquette, it's a better school with higher caliber students. What's wrong with that?

Not sure this "targeted marketing" is sending that message today.

Because acceptance rate has nothing to do if a school is better or not. So I hope Marquette's marketing doesn't send that message - it's dishonest.

[forgetful]

Who are these schools that stopped caring? Schools like Northeastern have essentially gamed the system to drive its acceptance rate (6%) below some Ivies in an attempt to raise its profile.

Fair or (mostly) unfair,  admission rate connotes quality in the rankings and this is where Marquette (87%), Xavier (84%), and Butler (82%) have a problem combatting this.

That's weird. US News removed admission rate from their calculations of University rankings back in something like 2018, because it is a stupid metric that has nothing to do with the quality of the institution.

So it hasn't been part of the "system" for 7-years. You'd think schools like Northeastern would have learned that the system changed.

[DFW HOYA]

That's weird. US News removed admission rate from their calculations of University rankings back in something like 2018, because it is a stupid metric that has nothing to do with the quality of the institution.

So it hasn't been part of the "system" for 7-years. You'd think schools like Northeastern would have learned that the system changed.

While not part of US News'  rankings, it is a factor that gets attention in admissions as a whole because it skews the admissions process. An unnaturally low accept rate drives more applicants into early decision, which is a binding offer of admission. This helps a school fill a large amount of the class early when their overall accept rates may be higher and yields lower in regular decision versus other schools. This trend (not necessarily Northeastern) also puts pressure  on non-binding early programs like Marquette which could lose candidates who feel the need to apply early to a school with a binding program because it is the only way they'll get in.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4250440-the-case-against-applying-early-decision-to-college/

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That's weird. US News removed admission rate from their calculations of University rankings back in something like 2018, because it is a stupid metric that has nothing to do with the quality of the institution.

So it hasn't been part of the "system" for 7-years. You'd think schools like Northeastern would have learned that the system changed.

Correct. The whole "Northeastern games the system" is a talking point from like 2005.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

While not part of US News'  rankings, it is a factor that gets attention in admissions as a whole because it skews the admissions process. An unnaturally low accept rate drives more applicants into early decision, which is a binding offer of admission. This helps a school fill a large amount of the class early when their overall accept rates may be higher and yields lower in regular decision versus other schools. This trend (not necessarily Northeastern) also puts pressure  on non-binding early programs like Marquette which could lose candidates who feel the need to apply early to a school with a binding program because it is the only way they'll get in.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4250440-the-case-against-applying-early-decision-to-college/

OK...and again I doubt Marquette cares much about any of this...but that's not exactly what you were saying earlier.

Fair or (mostly) unfair,  admission rate connotes quality in the rankings and this is where Marquette (87%), Xavier (84%), and Butler (82%) have a problem combatting this.

1. If admission rate connotes quality in anyone's mind, that is a dumb thought.

2. Marquette doesn't have a "problem combatting this" because of #1.

[UWW2MU]

1. If admission rate connotes quality in anyone's mind, that is a dumb thought.

2. Marquette doesn't have a "problem combatting this" because of #1.

It is indeed dumb... but it does speak to the old annoying "perception is reality" BS.  Fact is, a lot of people denote acceptance rate as an important aspect of quality of a school and/or it's exclusivity.  They just don't know what they don't know.  There are plenty of people who think less of MU because of the high acceptance rate because they don't understand their recruitment model, despite very strong output performance (graduation rates, job placement, average salary, etc.).

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It is indeed dumb... but it does speak to the old annoying "perception is reality" BS.  Fact is, a lot of people denote acceptance rate as an important aspect of quality of a school and/or it's exclusivity.  They just don't know what they don't know.  There are plenty of people who think less of MU because of the high acceptance rate because they don't understand their recruitment model, despite very strong output performance (graduation rates, job placement, average salary, etc.).

Well, their loss I guess. Marquette isn't changing what they are doing based on a bad metric.

[Jay Bee]

Happens all over. Hell, some college bball fans refer to dumb crap like "field goal percentage".

[Viper]

Happens all over. Hell, some college bball fans refer to dumb crap like "field goal percentage".

shoot to get hot shoot to stay hot, hey

[tower912]

Don't go 4-31 from 3.

[Shooter McGavin]

Don't go 4-31 from 3.

Ha!   I just threw up.

[cheebs09]

I thought I read that the academic profiles of the students admitted to MU is increasing. Maybe they are doing a good job of targeting high caliber students that will come into MU.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I thought I read that the academic profiles of the students admitted to MU is increasing. Maybe they are doing a good job of targeting high caliber students that will come into MU.

Yep. Too many people think admissions recruitment is like it was in 2004.

[We R Final Four]

Don't go 4-31 from 3.

Brutal.

[MUbiz]

Don't go 4-31 from 3.

Too soon, Tower. Too soon. 

[DoctorV]

Why didn't the coach make them stop shooting the 3?!?

[We R Final Four]

Why didn't the coach make them stop shooting the 3?!?

'The coach' was yelling at them to only shoot mid range jumpers.....but no one listened.