Divine Providence

[Galway Eagle]

This is really an "online" controversy. Outside of some tweets, it hasn't really registered anywhere. It will die soon if it hasn't already.

I mean it's an "online" company and the vast majority of their content is online. That's a big deal even if it's not in the tabloids. Don't need to be on twitter to know that. I agree it'll die soon but brushing it off because it's only online is a decade behind the times.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I mean it's an "online" company and the vast majority of their content is online. That's a big deal even if it's not in the tabloids. Don't need to be on twitter to know that. I agree it'll die soon but brushing it off because it's only online is a decade behind the times.

Not really. Someone mentioned 50,000 views. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Fanta's not losing his job over 50,000 views.  You poll a random PC fan at their next game, and I bet the vast majority of them will have no idea that this ever existed.

Online things matter to diehards who are online a lot - on X and message boards. But that's not in the least bit representative of the overall fanbase or the general public.

[Scoop Snoop]

Duping isn't a cognizable legal claim and it's not a crime. Also, I think Fanta just didn't realize it would piss off Cooley so much and get him in hot water with the conference. Thats just a young guy learning a hard lesson.

Nice summary in just a few words. I wonder if Fanta will publicly apologize for getting mixed up in this. It might be best to not say anything except to the BE administration privately. He learned a lesson the hard way and I think this was a case of a smart guy making a stupid mistake. Of course, I have never done anything like that. 

[Galway Eagle]

Not really. Someone mentioned 50,000 views. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Fanta's not losing his job over 50,000 views.  You poll a random PC fan at their next game, and I bet the vast majority of them will have no idea that this ever existed.

Completely agree, it's nothing in the grand scheme of things except more proof Goodmans a jackass.

Online things matter to diehards who are online a lot - on X and message boards. But that's not in the least bit representative of the overall fanbase or the general public.

disagree with this, it's outdated thinking. If your entire listener base it diehards who are online then there's no fall back segment. This isn't 2012 where he can say "our primary moneymaker is TV that's on in dentist offices and paper content we push out." It's all online thus online matters. Like any online content creator if you alienate your primary consumer base then it's a big deal, you can't just say "oh well it's just online!" When that's the only platform.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

He shouldn't say anything publicly because its not resonating much publicly. And my guess is that he has already apologized to Cooley, Fox and the BE privately.

[Dr. Blackheart]

So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

"The Sleeping Giant: How the 2007 Screamin' Demons set DePaul's Big East's high bar"

[Scoop Snoop]

He shouldn't say anything publicly because its not resonating much publicly. And my guess is that he has already apologized to Cooley, Fox and the BE privately.

Probably so. Agree that it is best that Fanta leaves this in his rear-view mirror and move on.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

disagree with this, it's outdated thinking. If your entire listener base it diehards who are online then there's no fall back segment. This isn't 2012 where he can say "our primary moneymaker is TV that's on in dentist offices and paper content we push out." It's all online thus online matters. Like any online content creator if you alienate your primary consumer base then it's a big deal, you can't just say "oh well it's just online!" When that's the only platform.

It's not outdated thinking in the least because it's NOT the only platform. And that's what I mean by its not a big deal. Just let it die. Don't make a public statement. Tell Fanta, Goodman, etc. to STFU, and it just goes away.

[Warrior2008]

IMO Fanta isn't losing his role over this, but if he does then shame on the BE.  John is one of the hardest working guys out there and still has the perspective as a fan who is working in a dream job.  He hasn't yet become a mouthpiece for coaches pushing an agenda like Goodman or a corporate drone pushing a company narrative like Bilas.  His authenticity is what people like about him, hopefully that continues whether Ed Cooley likes it or not.

My only hope that comes out of this is the BE/Fox recognize the interest in long form documentaries about the programs.  Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

I 100% agree with you. My statement on 50,000 views is only based in the amount and extent of controversy it causes.

[Galway Eagle]

It's not outdated thinking in the least because it's NOT the only platform.

What are these other platforms for Goodman? What other listeners do you assume consume his year round college basketball content other than the niche you identified as diehards?

It's outdated thinking there's no other platforms for the type of content (podcasts, YouTube videos, blog), there's not really offline marketing channels and their target audience is the diehard online crowd that you brushed off as niche.

I mean are you assuming field of 68 can be rebranded as a radio and/or TV show? Magazine?

And that's what I mean by its not a big deal. Just let it die. Don't make a public statement. Tell Fanta, Goodman, etc. to STFU, and it just goes away.

100% Agree. Dauster looks worse by trolling his own fans, Goodman & Fanta at least didn't really respond to my knowledge. Tell everyone to zip it and move on and it's just another forum story of why Goodman sucks which is well known.

[MUfan12]

So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

It'll be like Costanza going through his life story to get the apartment from the Andrea Doria survivor.

[Uncle Rico]

It'll be like Costanza going through his life story to get the apartment from the Andrea Doria survivor.

A really well done doc on the fall of DePaul basketball could actually be interesting.  Problem is, a lot of the voices to tell the story aren't around anymore. 

[StillWarriors]

IMO Fanta isn't losing his role over this, but if he does it then shame on the BE.  John is one of the hardest working guys out there and still has the perspective as a fan who is working in a dream job.  He hasn't yet become a mouthpiece for coaches pushing an agenda like Goodman or a corporate drone pushing a company narrative like Bilas.  His authenticity is what people like about him, hopefully that continues whether Ed Cooley likes it or not.

My only hope that comes out of this is the BE/Fox recognize the interest in long form documentaries about the programs.  Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

I would hope nothing would happen with Fanta either for his role on this. I don't think he said anything objectionable and came off quite well. Goodman and Dauster are the only reasons it may become problematic.

The 70,000 views will likely be far exceeded. The Barstool bump could easily double or triple that since Dave Portnoy tweeted about the video and complimented it. I hope that could lead to the other 10 being released. The irony that all of this was created by a DePaul fan is absolutely hilarious. Biggest impact they have had on the conference in years!

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

What are these other platforms for Goodman? What other listeners do you assume consume his year round college basketball content other than the niche you identified as diehards?

It's outdated thinking there's no other platforms for the type of content (podcasts, YouTube videos, blog), there's not really offline marketing channels and their target audience is the diehard online crowd that you brushed off as niche.

I mean are you assuming field of 68 can be rebranded as a radio and/or TV show? Magazine?

I think we are just talking past each other. When I say "not a big deal" I mean it won't cause long term harm to the conference, Fanta or Cooley. I meant the controversy itself is only online and hasn't spread to other media.

I fully understand how those shows have an online impact.

[brewcity77]

IMO Fanta isn't losing his role over this, but if he does it then shame on the BE.  John is one of the hardest working guys out there and still has the perspective as a fan who is working in a dream job.  He hasn't yet become a mouthpiece for coaches pushing an agenda like Goodman or a corporate drone pushing a company narrative like Bilas.  His veneer of authenticity is what people like about him, hopefully that continues whether Ed Cooley likes it or not.

My only hope that comes out of this is the BE/Fox recognize the interest in long form documentaries about the programs.  Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

FIFY

Looks like Fanta is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I'm sure he wants it to go away because being affiliated with a takedown of the kind of person your livelihood relies on isn't smart, so he's letting Goodman do the dirty work. But he also wants to stay close to the Big East fan bros that made it so he's not publicly commenting and hoping his silence will let him keep his "I'm just a fan like you" schtick going.

[wadesworld]

Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

[Jay Bee]

Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.

The word is role. Is this a shot at Fanta or something bruh?

[Galway Eagle]

Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

It's the association, even though he didn't say the hitler thing or the sleeping with a student accusation (or even suggest a regular affair) his name is big enough that it's not a good look.

[StillWarriors]

Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

I agree with you. I think the perception is that the piece is anti-Cooley and that the conference or his employers may take issue with him participating even though he did not say anything controversial. I doubt Cooley himself would have an issue with Fanta's involvement. They have/had a very good relationship dating back to when Fanta was a student intern, as I recall.

The other potential issue for Fanta could be that he co-hosts a show with Goodman and Dauster, who issued threats against the guy that made the documentary trying to keep it under wraps. Has to be a strange dynamic between them given Fanta's involvement. I haven't seen it, but apparently Fanta may have said or intimated that he was misled in terms of the content of the "show", but the creator said Fanta viewed the finished product and have full ability to edit his parts. Not sure if he could demand that other parts be cut.

[alleninxis]

The Big East has one of it's most prominent faces in media in a propaganda piece calling Cooley 'basketball hitler', alleging adultery (with a student less) and alleging a coach not even in the Big East of scoring drugs. Not hard to see how Fanta can get blowback over this from the league office and Fox sports.

Again, Goodman's behavior is clownish. But this Matthew Leb guy is truly a piece of scum.

[wadesworld]

I mean yeah, you'd rather not have Fanta being part of it, I guess.  But did he really see the whole thing?  From the Tweet I saw from the guy who made it, it sounded like they had final edit on their parts.  If Fanta saw the documentary and said, "Cool I'm good being in here," then sure I guess I can see the issue.  But if all he was shown was what would be in there from him, and all he was told is the guy was making a documentary on each BE program and would like to have Fanta's experience of Ed going from Providence to Georgetown, then I don't see any issue at all here.

[brewcity77]

Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

Just being involved and having his face and voice next to the guy saying Cooley had sex with a student is problematic. It's guilty by association. He didn't say anything wrong, but he was in it and had full access before it saw the light of day (per Degen).

I really don't care what comes of it, but he should've known better than to be involved. If his bosses are pissed that a documentary with their name on it smearing one of their highest paid employees with unsupported affair & sex with a student allegations has the media face of the league all over it, that seems reasonable.

[Jay Bee]

Fanta needs to be called in for congressional hearings

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Fanta needs to be called in for congressional hearings

Scheduled so that it prevents him from doing any MU games.