Sean Jones

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

So, who is an NBA comp for Tyler? 

Colin Gillespie went undrafted, but has a 2 way contract and has appeared in 15 games for the Nuggets. 

Would this be enough for Tyler to test the waters?  Or would he need a guarantee of being drafted?

Is a Gillespie comp underselling Tyler?  Is he more of an Alex Caruso or Spencer Dinwidde?

A poor man's Jalen Brunson.

[PointWarrior]

"rebuilds" are part of the COLE platform.

I expect Tyler to be gone, Jones may or may not ready by the start of the season, so then gets Tre.  To me he has not shown enough yet so in saying that, go get a one year player with experience.  MU will have a decent nucleus back next year, next year should not be a true rebuild, the following year maybe.

[We R Final Four]

Why don't scoopers believe Shaka when he says he isn't going to use the portal as a way to build his team? He didn't say he wouldn't ever use it, but it's not the way he's doing things moving forward. He needed yo field a competitive team his first year and went out and got some players....prior to NIL.
Shaka and staff will work Tre 8 hours a day from April til November to make him the beat PG he can be (if they believe he is the guy) before he goes our and pays for a transfer.

[MUDPT]

I hope MUDPT weighs in with some professional based comments. Meanwhile, here's something from Cleveland Clinic that includes info about recovery:


https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16576-acl-tear

Best case scenario is someone like Zakai Ziegler from Tennessee who tore his in Feb, really struggled in Maui, but has been better recently. I wouldn't expect him to be the old Sean Jones until at least conference season. That being said, from what other have said regarding his injury, it probably is more that just a "simple ACL." I did notice that he was not putting weight on his leg on crutches at the Seton Hall game, which indicates more damage.

(This is all speculation, really just educated guessing)

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Why don't scoopers believe Shaka when he says he isn't going to use the portal as a way to build his team? He didn't say he wouldn't ever use it, but it's not the way he's doing things moving forward. He needed yo field a competitive team his first year and went out and got some players....prior to NIL.
Shaka and staff will work Tre 8 hours a day from April til November to make him the beat PG he can be (if they believe he is the guy) before he goes our and pays for a transfer.

But that's not what he said. Shaka has stated clearly that he would use the portal to fill needs, but the player needs to buy into the program. I believe he said as much the last time he was on with Jen Lada.

As recently as 2022, they reached out and kicked the tires on Noah Carter, who eventually went to Missouri. He also brought in Wrightsil, who got hurt and obviously was never a factor.

If Shaka has doubts about the PG position, I most definitely think that is where he is going to look.

[nyg]

So, should Shaka...
A.  Assume he will recover and be effective next season and do nothing.
B. Convince Tyler to return.
C.  Recruit a HS PG with the last scholarship.
D.  Hit the portal
E.  Go with PG by committee.   Assuming the other 5 guards all return.

Don't believe Sean will return, but maybe before BE play if lucky. Aggressive as in past?  He is always going to worry about blowing it out again. 

Tyler getting up in age, not in Caitlin Clark NIL (close to million and may return as opposed to very low WNBA $$$) Don't see him returning.
I think Tyler has 50/50 chance to make an NBA roster for short timeframe and would definitely be a G League player.  Just a hunch, but down the road I think he is coaching.  Just a basketball junkie.

No highly recruited 2024 PGs left and Shaka going hard after 2025 Pgs James and Lewis

I believe Shaka changes philosophy and goes portal.  Tre Norman appears bit overwhelmed and has not been impressive.  He is 2 for 15 from three and has not made a three in 18 games, last in Maui.  In Shaka system, three ball from guard play is crucial. Is it me or does he fall down a lot like Omax?  Maybe he improves in next nine months, who knows.  Hope so, he does have the size.  I am just hoping Kam stays, he goes and it could get ugly. 

No committee, as above, its portal time. 

[jfp61]

Tre Norman appears bit overwhelmed and has not been impressive.

1. This is true but Tre has been better than the player this thread is about.

2. Stevie and Kam will run the point next year ahead of anyone that gets mentioned in this thread.

[tower912]

I think Shaka rolls with the other 5 guards.   Chase brought the ball up a couple of times against Georgetown.   Stevie is getting into the lane almost at will and is starting to share the ball while he is there.  Kam has run the point.   Tre and Zaide will only get better.

I would be stunned if Shaka found a PG in the portal he likes more than what he has and the obligatory bag drop occurred.

[JTJ3]

I can see adding one more guard for depth, whether it be a transfer or late HS add.

But Im totally comfortable if we start Kam, Stevie and Chase, our three best guards, and rotate the ballhandling duties between them.  Start your 3 best and theyre good enough to figure it out, it just will look different than this year wich is fine.  Tre Norman can play a bigger role off the bench both on and off ball too.

[Goose]

I have been 100% wrong on how Shaka has used the portal to date and definitely understand how he is building this program. That said, on his radio program last week he mentioned the portal three different times and sounded a tad more open to it. He mentioned building with his own his guys is top option, but he was not against the portal on a case-to-case basis. Now, I have heard him say similar things, but it almost sounded like he was floating the idea out there.

As I mentioned, 0 for 2 years on predicting Shaka's use of the portal and not making predictions. Just thought his choice of wording sounded far more open to the portal going into this offseason. I had thought Shaka would get guys with 2-3 years left vs. 1 and that never happened after his first year. It will be an interesting offseason, imo.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

1. This is true but Tre has been better than the player this thread is about.

What?

[Shooter McGavin]

I have been 100% wrong on how Shaka has used the portal to date and definitely understand how he is building this program. That said, on his radio program last week he mentioned the portal three different times and sounded a tad more open to it. He mentioned building with his own his guys is top option, but he was not against the portal on a case-to-case basis. Now, I have heard him say similar things, but it almost sounded like he was floating the idea out there.

As I mentioned, 0 for 2 years on predicting Shaka's use of the portal and not making predictions. Just thought his choice of wording sounded far more open to the portal going into this offseason. I had thought Shaka would get guys with 2-3 years left vs. 1 and that never happened after his first year. It will be an interesting offseason, imo.

Agree Goose.  He is letting it be known that it is a strong consideration.  And it should be with Sean's injury.  Gentle reminder to fans, players, players families, boosters, etc. what he is thinking.

[lawdog77]

I hear Chucky Hepburn is looking around

[We R Final Four]

But that's not what he said. Shaka has stated clearly that he would use the portal to fill needs, but the player needs to buy into the program. I believe he said as much the last time he was on with Jen Lada.

As recently as 2022, they reached out and kicked the tires on Noah Carter, who eventually went to Missouri. He also brought in Wrightsil, who got hurt and obviously was never a factor.

If Shaka has doubts about the PG position, I most definitely think that is where he is going to look.

We must be listening to different Marquette basketball hours. Shaka has stated clearly and often, that he will not build a team through the portal at Marquette and utilize the portal like most teams. He has never said never. I don't believe Shaka will go out and try to find an immediate impact PG this summer. Many on here assumed that OMax's  departure would be filled with the best wing out there. Some knew it was gonna be Jop. It was gonna be Jop and Ben. It was gonna be Jop, Ben and Chase.
Wrighsil was a no risk pick up, who wasn't playing even prior to his injury.
Never said Shaka won't kick the tires.....but I believe next year's PG is on this year's team.

[Galway Eagle]

We must be listening to different Marquette basketball hours. Shaka has stated clearly and often, that he will not build a team through the portal at Marquette and utilize the portal like most teams. He has never said never. I don't believe Shaka will go out and try to find an immediate impact PG this summer. Many on here assumed that OMax's  departure would be filled with the best wing out there. Some knew it was gonna be Jop. It was gonna be Jop and Ben. It was gonna be Jop, Ben and Chase.
Wrighsil was a no risk pick up, who wasn't playing even prior to his injury.
Never said Shaka won't kick the tires.....but I believe next year's PG is on this year's team.

Man I didn't realize wrightsil was only getting 9min per game before the injury.

[Shooter McGavin]

We must be listening to different Marquette basketball hours. Shaka has stated clearly and often, that he will not build a team through the portal at Marquette and utilize the portal like most teams. He has never said never. I don't believe Shaka will go out and try to find an immediate impact PG this summer. Many on here assumed that OMax's  departure would be filled with the best wing out there. Some knew it was gonna be Jop. It was gonna be Jop and Ben. It was gonna be Jop, Ben and Chase.
Wrighsil was a no risk pick up, who wasn't playing even prior to his injury.
Never said Shaka won't kick the tires.....but I believe next year's PG is on this year's team.

I think your take is going to be right 9 out of 10 times and definitely not emphatically disagreeing with you or Sultan. But I just think this year might be an exception because of the injury.

[Dr. Blackheart]

We must be listening to different Marquette basketball hours. Shaka has stated clearly and often, that he will not build a team through the portal at Marquette and utilize the portal like most teams. He has never said never. I don't believe Shaka will go out and try to find an immediate impact PG this summer. Many on here assumed that OMax's  departure would be filled with the best wing out there. Some knew it was gonna be Jop. It was gonna be Jop and Ben. It was gonna be Jop, Ben and Chase.
Wrighsil was a no risk pick up, who wasn't playing even prior to his injury.
Never said Shaka won't kick the tires.....but I believe next year's PG is on this year's team.

Zach's injury was discovered in the summer and he tried to play through it for a couple of games. His lift was gone and rest didn't help. If healthy, he would have earned more minutes.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

We must be listening to different Marquette basketball hours. Shaka has stated clearly and often, that he will not build a team through the portal at Marquette and utilize the portal like most teams. He has never said never. I don't believe Shaka will go out and try to find an immediate impact PG this summer. Many on here assumed that OMax's  departure would be filled with the best wing out there. Some knew it was gonna be Jop. It was gonna be Jop and Ben. It was gonna be Jop, Ben and Chase.
Wrighsil was a no risk pick up, who wasn't playing even prior to his injury.
Never said Shaka won't kick the tires.....but I believe next year's PG is on this year's team.

Right. I don't think he is "building" a team through the portal by filling a hole due to injury. When OMax left, he had the BE sixth man of the year behind him. Assuming Tyler leaves, who is there to fill a role? Either a guy averaging 8 minutes a game or two guys who don't usually play the position.

And you may ultimately be right, but it looks like if there were ever a time to look at portal transfers, this off-season may be it.

[MUfan12]

And you may ultimately be right, but it looks like if there were ever a time to look at portal transfers, this off-season may be it.

Yep. Unless he plans on throwing Tre into the deep end.

[wadesworld]

Going point guard by committee usually doesn't end up going well.  If Sean never tore his ACL and we knew he'd be the point guard going into next season, I think Shaka would be fine going 25 minutes from Sean and 15 minutes point guard by committee.  40 minutes of point guard by committee would be a disaster.

I think Shaka's smart enough to know when he needs to hit the portal and when he's got guys ready to step up from within.  Even if he believes in Tre's ability, there isn't proof of concept out there like there was with Jop stepping into the OMax roll, and my guess is the plan was Sean is the starting point guard and Tre back him up.  I'd guess if Tyler leaves (which I expect), Shaka will hit the portal for a transfer.

That's not building a team through the portal.  It's filling a need.

[We R Final Four]

Earlier in the year (perhaps on MU basketball hour) Tyler said he was unsure if he would come back or if he was willing to put his time in and do the grind in the G-League.
I don't know he has commented further on that. I do know this a weak draft year, he has said he is all in this year, so he very well could leave. However, I believe he is making substantial NIL $.
Has TK commented or hinted on leaving or just assumptions?

[We R Final Four]

Going point guard by committee usually doesn't end up going well.  If Sean never tore his ACL and we knew he'd be the point guard going into next season, I think Shaka would be fine going 25 minutes from Sean and 15 minutes point guard by committee.  40 minutes of point guard by committee would be a disaster.

I think Shaka's smart enough to know when he needs to hit the portal and when he's got guys ready to step up from within.  Even if he believes in Tre's ability, there isn't proof of concept out there like there was with Jop stepping into the OMax roll, and my guess is the plan was Sean is the starting point guard and Tre back him up.  I'd guess if Tyler leaves (which I expect), Shaka will hit the portal for a transfer.

That's not building a team through the portal.  It's filling a need.

Yes, makes perfect sense. We will see.

Regarding Jop......scoopers still pushed for an outside replacement for OMax, when we knew Shaka would utilize Jop albeit differently than he used OMax.

[MU82]

Shaka has stated clearly and often, that he will not build a team through the portal at Marquette and utilize the portal like most teams.

As a few others have said, bringing in one player for one position whom you've vetted and whom you believe fits your culture is not the same as "building a team through the portal."

That said, I have no idea if Shaka would do it, or even if he should do it. He might believe Norman can make the kind of major improvement that Oso and O-Max did in 2021-22. I think some forget that O-Max had barely played as a freshman at Clemson in 2020-21, and we know that Oso played, like 8 seconds as an MU frosh. But Shaka felt they could be players.

And if he ultimately feels that way about Tre, who will be surrounded by Kam, Stevie, Chase and others, then I trust his judgment until Shaka's judgment proves untrustworthy. It sure hasn't yet.

Tre has been better than the player this thread is about.

Very curious to hear what this is supposed to mean.

[CountryRoads]

If Kolek leaves, we could use another guard even if Tre is the real deal, so I think Shaka hits the portal. Likely a combo guard that plays any guard spot that is a current freshman or sophomore. Won't be a splash. More of a culture (ie role player) guy with multiple years I am thinking. I don't think we'll see any more of the Morsell and Kur types that only have one year left.

[Goose]

CountryRoads

I agree that if Shaka hits the portal, it will be a guy with multiple years ahead of him. In addition, I would think it was a guy he recruited and has known the kid and the family for quite some time. IMO, re-recruited guys in the program and guys he missed out on it are part of the process.