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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Oof. That's too bad. I actually think he would be fine as a PG with shooters around him. So I guess its Tre... Kam if he sticks around... or a portal guy.
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MU82

Feel really bad for the kid. Gave every ounce of energy he had whenever he took the court.
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Shooter McGavin

The only bright side for the team if there is one, is it might force Shaka to use the portal and he was exceptional using it the first time around.  Of course he didn't have to drop a bag of money to get Darryl, Tyler, Omax and Kur.

We R Final Four

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Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 11:17:44 AM
GoFast

I watched a good amount of basketball this weekend and UConn looked like the best of the bunch from what I saw. Watching UW-Purdue game and thought if MU is playing well, I would take MU in a best of seven series against both of them. Having two AA's is a special treat especially when you have the additional pieces MU has on the roster. I was very high on them in November, like many MU fans, and higher on them now. I am very much looking forward to the UConn game to see how they matchup.
Shaka is 0-3 vs. Bucky, so I guess we are due for 7 straight. I would be thrilled with one win over Bucky.

We R Final Four

Quote from: BCHoopster on February 05, 2024, 04:38:57 PM
Depending on what Tyler is going to do, Sean is a nice backup point, Norman does not look like Tyler's replacement so Shaka has to be thinking portal.
Hes not.

Scoop Snoop

Honest question for those who seem to believe that Sean's recovery will be too long for him to be a major factor next season- do you know that? I'm looking for specifics. I am well aware that the recovery is typically very long, but I posted a link to the Cleveland Clinic's site where ACL and recovery from ACL is addressed, including comments about athletes' recovery time. No one commented. Why?

It seems to me that many here are writing Sean off for next season. I wonder if we have some self-appointed doctors here.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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94Warrior

Every knee is different.  Ive been through ACL reconstruction twice.  The recovery could not have been more different from the 2 knees.  Best case scenario - he'll be ready.  Worst case scenario - he won't.  Nobody knows, not him, not his surgeon, not his PT, so an uneducated guess from someone on a message board is meaningless at this point.  We probably wont hear anything til August or Sept.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: 94Warrior on February 06, 2024, 10:35:41 AM
Every knee is different.  Ive been through ACL reconstruction twice.  The recovery could not have been more different from the 2 knees.  Best case scenario - he'll be ready.  Worst case scenario - he won't.  Nobody knows, not him, not his surgeon, not his PT, so an uneducated guess from someone on a message board is meaningless at this point.  We probably wont hear anything til August or Sept.

Nobody "knows" sure. But I'm sure his doctor and his PT have a pretty darn good idea. And when its TAMU and Lens making these statements, they aren't mere uneducated guesses.
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brewcity77

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2024, 10:27:09 AM
Honest question for those who seem to believe that Sean's recovery will be too long for him to be a major factor next season- do you know that? I'm looking for specifics. I am well aware that the recovery is typically very long, but I posted a link to the Cleveland Clinic's site where ACL and recovery from ACL is addressed, including comments about athletes' recovery time. No one commented. Why?

It seems to me that many here are writing Sean off for next season. I wonder if we have some self-appointed doctors here.

You won't get those specifics on a public message board. But there are people that post on this public message board that have legitimate information, even if they can't provide sources and details. In this case, I would say this information is the best and most reliable you will get. But maybe I'm just another self-appointed doctor.
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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: 94Warrior on February 06, 2024, 10:35:41 AM
Every knee is different.  Ive been through ACL reconstruction twice.  The recovery could not have been more different from the 2 knees.  Best case scenario - he'll be ready.  Worst case scenario - he won't.  Nobody knows, not him, not his surgeon, not his PT, so an uneducated guess from someone on a message board is meaningless at this point.  We probably wont hear anything til August or Sept.

Thanks for posting this. All I was looking for was some admission that there was a possibility that he might be able to play, and hopefully even at the beginning of the season. You provided a narrative that I was hoping to read.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 06, 2024, 10:49:39 AM
You won't get those specifics on a public message board. But there are people that post on this public message board that have legitimate information, even if they can't provide sources and details. In this case, I would say this information is the best and most reliable you will get. But maybe I'm just another self-appointed doctor.

Very fair.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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94Warrior

You dont like my answer - I get it.  I dont like not knowing either.  But, there are hundreds of hurdles to get over between now and next season.  Knees heal and respond differently. 

For every Adrian Peterson success story, there is a Terrell Davis, Jordy Nelson or RGIII who were never the same.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: 94Warrior on February 06, 2024, 10:56:48 AM
You dont like my answer - I get it.  I dont like not knowing either.  But, there are hundreds of hurdles to get over between now and next season.  Knees heal and respond differently. 

For every Adrian Peterson success story, there is a Terrell Davis, Jordy Nelson or RGIII who were never the same.

Derrick rose as well. Probably a good comp stylistically for Sean as he relied on his speed a ton to be as effective as he was. Eventually he got his stuff together to be an adequate player again but that took years.
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94Warrior

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2024, 11:18:51 AM
Derrick rose as well. Probably a good comp stylistically for Sean as he relied on his speed a ton to be as effective as he was. Eventually he got his stuff together to be an adequate player again but that took years.

Yes - Rose is a perfect example.  And, I'd be willing to bet the initial report following each of those surgeries was 'Surgery went well.  We are encouraged by what we saw and anticipate _______ will experience a full and complete recovery.  ______ has a long recovery ahead, but we are optimistic he will be back running, jumping, skipping and hopping before you know it.'

tower912

So, should Shaka...
A.  Assume he will recover and be effective next season and do nothing.
B. Convince Tyler to return.
C.  Recruit a HS PG with the last scholarship.
D.  Hit the portal
E.  Go with PG by committee.   Assuming the other 5 guards all return.
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94Warrior

B.  Convince Tyler to return!!!!

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Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2024, 12:14:19 PM
So, should Shaka...
A.  Assume he will recover and be effective next season and do nothing.
B. Convince Tyler to return.
C.  Recruit a HS PG with the last scholarship.
D.  Hit the portal
E.  Go with PG by committee.   Assuming the other 5 guards all return.
Not sure what he should do, but I believe that E. Is most likely approach from Shaka.

bilsu

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2024, 10:27:09 AM
Honest question for those who seem to believe that Sean's recovery will be too long for him to be a major factor next season- do you know that? I'm looking for specifics. I am well aware that the recovery is typically very long, but I posted a link to the Cleveland Clinic's site where ACL and recovery from ACL is addressed, including comments about athletes' recovery time. No one commented. Why?

It seems to me that many here are writing Sean off for next season. I wonder if we have some self-appointed doctors here.
I expect a long recovery, because of the type of player he is. He relies on speed and changing direction quickly. I do not think he recovers like a jump shooter would.

BCHoopster

I expect Tyler to be gone, Jones may or may not ready by the start of the season, so then gets Tre.  To me he has not shown enough yet so in saying that, go get a one year player with experience.  MU will have a decent nucleus back next year, next year should not be a true rebuild, the following year maybe.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2024, 12:14:19 PM
So, should Shaka...
A.  Assume he will recover and be effective next season and do nothing.
B. Convince Tyler to return.
C.  Recruit a HS PG with the last scholarship.
D.  Hit the portal
E.  Go with PG by committee.   Assuming the other 5 guards all return.

What? No "All of the above"?
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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94Warrior

So, who is an NBA comp for Tyler? 

Colin Gillespie went undrafted, but has a 2 way contract and has appeared in 15 games for the Nuggets. 

Would this be enough for Tyler to test the waters?  Or would he need a guarantee of being drafted?

Is a Gillespie comp underselling Tyler?  Is he more of an Alex Caruso or Spencer Dinwidde?

Galway Eagle

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Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2024, 12:14:19 PM
So, should Shaka...
A.  Assume he will recover and be effective next season and do nothing.
B. Convince Tyler to return.
C.  Recruit a HS PG with the last scholarship.
D.  Hit the portal
E.  Go with PG by committee.   Assuming the other 5 guards all return.

I think I'd rather us ride with who we have. 2011 Buycks wasn't a pure PG and Cadougan wasn't getting a ton of time. Yet that season worked out well on the court... in march
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Markusquette

MU will be in trouble without Kolek and a true PG next year. Think he's gotta hit the portal for someone experienced.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2024, 12:14:19 PM
So, should Shaka...
A.  Assume he will recover and be effective next season and do nothing.
B. Convince Tyler to return.
C.  Recruit a HS PG with the last scholarship.
D.  Hit the portal
E.  Go with PG by committee.   Assuming the other 5 guards all return.

Well, darn near 100% of Scoopers would choose B ... if it only were that simple. Time to increase our NIL donations!

Assuming that's not gonna happen, and if Shaka assesses next season's prospects and honestly believes we're a legit NCAAT team and Big East contender, I'd think he could pretty easily justify D without putting his culture at risk. Otherwise, E, especially if Kam and Stevie return (and why wouldn't they?).
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BM1090

Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 11:17:44 AM
GoFast

I watched a good amount of basketball this weekend and UConn looked like the best of the bunch from what I saw. Watching UW-Purdue game and thought if MU is playing well, I would take MU in a best of seven series against both of them. Having two AA's is a special treat especially when you have the additional pieces MU has on the roster. I was very high on them in November, like many MU fans, and higher on them now. I am very much looking forward to the UConn game to see how they matchup.

I think I'd take MU to win it all if the playoffs were NBA style. We're not the tallest or most athletic team, but I do think the guys are really good at understanding the sport and figuring out their opponents. Sometimes that comes too late in a 40 minute game. But I'd have a lot of confidence if it were a series.

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