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Date/Time: Dec 21, 2024 11:00am
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The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Jockey on April 19, 2024, 11:52:48 AM
He's way better than Sam Hauser who has played a lot this year. He'll be a scorer off the bench - maybe even as a rookie.


Not only is he not "way better," he isn't even "better."
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 19, 2024, 12:08:17 PM

Not only is he not "way better," he isn't even "better."

He's a better teammate
Gard just gets it done

Jockey

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 19, 2024, 12:08:17 PM

Not only is he not "way better," he isn't even "better."

I shouldn't have used the word 'way', but I have no doubt he is better.

13.8/7.8/3.9 to 13.3/6.1/2.1  Plus Baylor is a better athlete - certainly not elite, but better. Baylor is also able to create his own shot, which Sam was never good at.

But, we'll see.

Uncle Rico

Tyler in the top 30, huh.
Gard just gets it done

MU82

CBS Sports, updated mock yesterday, has Kolek going #27.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on April 19, 2024, 04:03:30 PM
CBS Sports, updated mock yesterday, has Kolek going #27.

He'll never play in the NBA and needs to come back
Gard just gets it done

bilsu

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2024, 04:46:35 PM
He'll never play in the NBA and needs to come back
He will play in NBA.

Jockey


#UnleashSean

Quote from: Jockey on April 19, 2024, 11:10:31 PM
You're new here?

Meh, sometimes I miss the posts authors name...

Uncle Rico

Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 21, 2024, 08:30:38 AM
Meh, sometimes I miss the posts authors name...

Some of Scoop's top basketball minds said Tyler wont play in the NBA or isn't ready
Gard just gets it done

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2024, 08:35:27 AM
Some of Scoop's top basketball minds said Tyler wont play in the NBA or isn't ready

Oso needs to come back for another year.

So does OMax.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2024, 08:57:14 AM
Oso needs to come back for another year.

So does OMax.

Looking forward to Tyler, Oso, O-Max, and Justin using their covid years next season.

MU82

With the NBA Draft Lottery now over, Yahoo Sports' Krysten Peek updated her mock draft.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-mock-draft-70-who-will-the-hawks-take-at-no-1-our-projections-for-every-pick-with-lottery-order-now-set-195807070.html?.tsrc=1317

She has Kolek going 29th to Utah, saying:

The Jazz hit on Keyonte George last year and could use an older, established playmaker in the backcourt with George as they continue their rebuild. The lefty point guard finds creative ways to finish when needed and was one of the best passing guards this season.

She also has Oso going #52 to Washington.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

MU82

The Athletic's Sam Vecenie also did a post-lottery update. He's got TK going 24th to the Knicks, saying:

Kolek was exploding onto the scene before suffering an oblique injury that held him out the Big East tournament. From Jan. 15 until Feb. 25, Marquette went 10-1 as Kolek averaged 16.9 points and 9.6 assists per game while shooting 48.6 percent from the field and 44 percent from 3. In total, Kolek rightfully won All-American honors on his way to 15.3 points and 7.7 assists per game.

Kolek is a crafty guard. I'm not convinced he can even dunk, but he knows exactly how to play off two feet and is an elite distributor in ball screens. He made a big leap as a shooter this past season, drilling 38.8 percent from 3 while looking much more confident pulling up when opportunities arise. Kolek must prove he has the foot speed to hold up on defense in the NBA, and he'll need to prove he can create separation with the ball in his hands against better defenders. But any team looking for a backup guard could plug Kolek in early.

Indiana's T.J. McConnell is a name that often comes up as a comparison for Kolek.


Vecenie has Oso going #41 to Philly.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

milwaukee ex-pat

Hot take: Tyler goes in lottery to San Antonio who needs a pick and roll point guard to pair with the Wembanyama.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on May 13, 2024, 08:26:00 AM
Hot take: Tyler goes in lottery to San Antonio who needs a pick and roll point guard to pair with the Wembanyama.

Ha!  That would be great. 

Pakuni

The Athletic's John Hollinger ranked his top 20 players in the draft and has Oso at #19, as one of his two "sleepers." That said, he also says Oso isn't seen as a first-round pick.
Kolek not in his top 20.
His second sleeper, fwiw, is Trey Alexander.

https://theathletic.com/5484657/2024/05/13/nba-draft-2024-top-prospects-players-hollinger/

I'm a firm believer in bigs who can pass — that trait tends to indicate outsized feel that can worm itself into other facets of the game — and Ighodaro is the best passing big in the draft. He is very comfortable operating from the elbows and hitting cutters or operating dribble handoffs, and his size and leaping ability should make him at least a decent rim runner on the tail end of those actions. Ighodaro can also handle the ball well enough that Marquette occasionally ran inverted pick-and-rolls for him. While he's not an outside shooting threat, he does have a nice floater game he can get to when the rim is blocked off.

Ighodaro grades out very well in the switching type of perimeter defense that most NBA teams demand from their bigs now. He gets up on guards, not letting them waltz into off-the-dribble 3s and instead sliding with them when they try to get to the cup. He seems almost more comfortable with that than going against players his own size; he doesn't play with much physicality or toughness. Players who spin and stop on him, or post players who get into his body, can give him some trouble.

Ighodaro isn't seen as a first-rounder because he falls short on a lot of the traditional big-guy stuff. He's not an elite rim protector, with a decent but hardly overwhelming 5.6 percent block rate in Big East games, and he's a phantom on the glass with a career 12.1 percent rebound rate in conference play. Similarly, he shies away from attacking the rim at times, settling for the floater even when it seemed he could get to the rim. Those factors turn off some scouts and could limit him to being a backup, but a rotation big isn't a bad outcome this deep in a weak draft. That feels like Ighodaro's floor given his other skills.


GoldenEagles03

#117
Oso listed on the Combine site as

6'9.50" WITHOUT shoes  (no weight listed) for anyone that cares about that kinda thing.

No listings for Kolek yet.

Some others that caught my eye.

Edey at 7'3.75" - 299 lbs.
Clingan at 7'1.75" - 282 lbs.
Castle at 6'2.25" (!?!?!?!?!) Not sure I believe that measurement but that's what it says!
VIOLENCE!

MUbiz

Tyler Kolek's NBA Draft Combine Measurements:

6'1.25" without shoes
6'2.75" wingspan

MUbiz

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 13, 2024, 10:56:50 AM
Oso listed on the Combine site as

6'9.50" WITHOUT shoes  (no weight listed) for anyone that cares about that kinda thing.

No listings for Kolek yet.

Some others that caught my eye.

Edey at 7'3.75" - 299 lbs.
Clingan at 7'1.75" - 282 lbs.
Castle at 6'2.25" (!?!?!?!?!) Not sure I believe that measurement but that's what it says!

Probably not good for Oso - Using the NBA's combine site, Oso is the first player measured at the combine that's over 6'9" with a wingspan under 7'0" since Luka Samanic in 2020.

Only other player in the last 10 combines is Frank Kaminksy in 2016.

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1790053720123691158

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MUbiz on May 13, 2024, 11:53:33 AM
Probably not good for Oso - Using the NBA's combine site, Oso is the first player measured at the combine that's over 6'9" with a wingspan under 7'0" since Luka Samanic in 2020.

Only other player in the last 10 combines is Frank Kaminksy in 2016.

https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1790053720123691158

Should have come back to get his degree
Gard just gets it done

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 13, 2024, 10:56:50 AM
Oso listed on the Combine site as

6'9.50" WITHOUT shoes  (no weight listed) for anyone that cares about that kinda thing.

No listings for Kolek yet.

Some others that caught my eye.

Edey at 7'3.75" - 299 lbs.
Clingan at 7'1.75" - 282 lbs.
Castle at 6'2.25" (!?!?!?!?!) Not sure I believe that measurement but that's what it says!

Looks like it is now known that those measurements for Castle are inaccurate.

Whoever enters those put Devin Carter's metrics under Steph Castle...so it is Carter that is 6'2.25".
VIOLENCE!

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

lawdog77

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 13, 2024, 11:58:18 AM
Looks like it is now known that those measurements for Castle are inaccurate.

Whoever enters those put Devin Carter's metrics under Steph Castle...so it is Carter that is 6'2.25".
It had Kolek's standing reach (not wingspan)at 6-11. That has to be a misprint as well.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2024, 12:31:57 PM
His 3rd degree.

He was joking.  No need to give him the third degree
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


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