Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[jesmu84]

Senate passes bipartisan aid package for Israel and Ukraine. Most observers believe it will die in the House.

No money for US citizens for college or healthcare or social security or Medicaid or Medicare or...?

How is this aid gonna be paid for?

[Hards Alumni]

No money for US citizens for college or healthcare or social security or Medicaid or Medicare or...?

How is this aid gonna be paid for?

Continued American hegemony in ME and our ability to project military power in the area.

[jesmu84]

Continued American hegemony in ME and our ability to project military power in the area.

How does that benefit the US citizens?

[Hards Alumni]

How does that benefit the US citizens?

That's never been the goal of the US government.

[Pakuni]

How does that benefit the US citizens?

Cheap oil. It may sound cynical, but that doesn't make it less important.

One might suggest that it's possible for the US government to address iboth is foreign policy interests and its domestic needs. Not saying it succeeds, bot one does not preclude the other.

[jesmu84]

That's never been the goal of the US government.

Sad.

What has been the goal?

[jesmu84]

Cheap oil. It may sound cynical, but that doesn't make it less important.

One might suggest that it's possible for the US government to address iboth is foreign policy interests and its domestic needs. Not saying it succeeds, bot one does not preclude the other.

Cheap oil? Isn't the US producing enough on its own to support ourselves?

[Hards Alumni]

Sad.

What has been the goal?

In short, enriching the ruling class for the last century or so.  Globalization to maintain capitalism's domination.

[Pakuni]

Cheap oil? Isn't the US producing enough on its own to support ourselves?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/brand-connect/wp/enterprise/why-importing-and-exporting-oil-makes-sense/

[Hards Alumni]

Cheap oil? Isn't the US producing enough on its own to support ourselves?

Yes, but if you throw a stone into a pond it causes ripples.  There is a global supply and demand which influences prices.  Anything that upsets this balance or any spike in prices causes global instability and increases the power of OPEC to hold the world hostage.

Just because we can provide for ourselves doesn't mean that the price of oil won't rise globally.  And because the oil companies in the US are not nationalized they are not required to sell their oil to the US buyers.  They'll sell on the open market for the best price they can attain.

[jesmu84]

Appreciate the explanations.

Going back to my OP.

How are the billions in US aid to Ukraine and Israel going to be paid for?

[Hards Alumni]

Appreciate the explanations.

Going back to my OP.

How are the billions in US aid to Ukraine and Israel going to be paid for?

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

They'll just add it to that as a rounding error 

[Pakuni]

Appreciate the explanations.

Going back to my OP.

How are the billions in US aid to Ukraine and Israel going to be paid for?

Tax dollars, it would assume.
It's worth noting that much of the aid to Ukraine so far has come in the form outdated (at least what the Pentagon considers outdated) military equipment. We're not writing them checks.
It would be fair to point out that we're then spending money to replenish our military stock with modern weaponry, so there's undoubtedly a cost. But there is some benefit to American taxpayers, beyond just the benefit of not giving Putin free rein to steamroll his neighbors.

Similar with Israel. Most of the aid we send them comes in the form of grants which they must use to purchase items and services from American companies. Again, there's obviously a cost, but it also comes with some benefit to U.S. taxpayers.

[jesmu84]

Tax dollars, it would assume.
It's worth noting that much of the aid to Ukraine so far has come in the form outdated (at least what the Pentagon considers outdated) military equipment. We're not writing them checks.
It would be fair to point out that we're then spending money to replenish our military stock with modern weaponry, so there's undoubtedly a cost. But there is some benefit to American taxpayers, beyond just the benefit of not giving Putin free rein to steamroll his neighbors.

Similar with Israel. Most of the aid we send them comes in the form of grants which they must use to purchase items and services from American companies. Again, there's obviously a cost, but it also comes with some benefit to U.S. taxpayers.

I sincerely doubt those American companies are going to pass on any significant amount of money they might make from these deals

[Shaka Shart]

Appreciate the explanations.

Going back to my OP.

How are the billions in US aid to Ukraine and Israel going to be paid for?

Tax cuts

[Hards Alumni]

I sincerely doubt those American companies are going to pass on any significant amount of money they might make from these deals

The benefit he's referring to is employment opportunities for American arms workers.  It's a furtherance of the expansion of the MI Complex.  But jobs buy votes (indirectly).  The workers use that money to buy crap and pay taxes along the way.  Think of it as a stimulus package.  A horrific one, but a stimulus package nonetheless.

[jesmu84]

The benefit he's referring to is employment opportunities for American arms workers.  It's a furtherance of the expansion of the MI Complex.  But jobs buy votes (indirectly).  The workers use that money to buy crap and pay taxes along the way.  Think of it as a stimulus package.  A horrific one, but a stimulus package nonetheless.

Expansion of the MI complex sounds great

[Pakuni]

I sincerely doubt those American companies are going to pass on any significant amount of money they might make from these deals

What do you mean by "pass on?"
They have employees who benefit. Vendors who benefit. Communities that benefit when their residents are employed and when local companies prosper. Shareholders who benefit. They all pay taxes.
I'm not arguing that aid to Israel and Ukraine is some kind of windfall for the U.S. taxpayer. But you started the discussion asking how Americans benefit. These are some of the ways how.

[Hards Alumni]

Expansion of the MI complex sounds great

Sacrifices must be made at the alter for this all to continue.  Sometimes it's money, sometimes it's babies.  Usually, it's both.

[jesmu84]

What do you mean by "pass on?"
They have employees who benefit. Vendors who benefit. Communities that benefit when their residents are employed and when local companies prosper. Shareholders who benefit. They all pay taxes.
I'm not arguing that aid to Israel and Ukraine is some kind of windfall for the U.S. taxpayer. But you started the discussion asking how Americans benefit. These are some of the ways how.

You're correct

[Spotcheck Billy]

Tax dollars, it would assume.
It's worth noting that much of the aid to Ukraine so far has come in the form outdated (at least what the Pentagon considers outdated) military equipment. We're not writing them checks.
It would be fair to point out that we're then spending money to replenish our military stock with modern weaponry

I've seen estimates that roughly 30% of this $60B for Ukraine is for replenishment of US supplies.

[MU82]

The whole world - including America - benefits when Putin isn't simply handed countries he wants to dominate and/or destroy.

[Shaka Shart]

https://x.com/wideofthepost/status/1757776754821763250?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg

[Pakuni]

Who's to blame for anti-Semitism? Jews, of course. So says Candace Owens.
Will the Daily Wire be OK?


https://www.mediaite.com/politics/candace-owens-accuses-political-jews-of-fueling-anti-semitism-vile-dishonest-manipulative-people/

[4everwarriors]

So then followin' that line of logic, Blacks are responsible for racism, aina?