Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Uncle Rico]

Yep. Musk scares the sh!t out of them. And his credentials are real, not based on stealing someone else's ideas.

Musk does scare me.  All anti-semites do

[ATL MU Warrior]

Wishcasting because educated people scare them

And black women with power

[Skatastrophy]

Yep. Musk scares the sh!t out of them. And his credentials are real, not based on stealing someone else's ideas.

This is irony right?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yep. Musk scares the sh!t out of them. And his credentials are real, not based on stealing someone else's ideas.

More like nauseates me at this point. Antisemitic comments (which I guess are OK if you are rightwing), racist and homophobic comments, amplifying conspiracy crap like Pizzagate. It's his platform and he gets to do what he wants, but we also get to judge him for platforming living sh!t like Jones, Ramaswamy, and rapist Andrew Tate.

[Not A Serious Person]

Ivy institutions are being affected, and things will change. Will they suffer, of course, they are suffering. Will it spell doom, I don't think so.

My question to H2O and 4E is do you think this backlash against the Harvard's of higher education will last? Is it our normal cycle where we all get outraged then is back to business as usual? Will Ackman actually not hire Harvard grads? For how long?

I fear a lot is this is political theater and opportunistic grandstanding where only the elite gain and the people again lose. Like we see when we proclaim generalities about Israelis or Jews and Palestinians or Muslims, we will see these loud mouths initially generalize an entire university or student body only to walk it back when rationality and reasonability return.

Do we actually want the loudest, richest, elitist white men determining anything? Especially what is taught at and who is in charge of our universities. I admit, I am more of a free speech absolutist than not (I know that statement in itself is a mess, but I've never been one to be 100% on much, so I have to leave room for discussion) and am really disappointed that Magill resigned and that Gay and Kornbluth were put in a no win situation. While I want them to say anything they'd like and allow the saying of anything on their campuses, I also really don't care much what the president of an elite university thinks about outside their school. They are not a bastion of wisdom any more than any of us are. I digress.

Someone I admired once told me, he who talks most ends up the biggest ass. I fear that we are saying a lot of angry, fearful, pointed, anti (enter group here) rhetoric that is not in the least helpful, because we like to say what we want and also try to stifle others from saying what they want.

Of course, they will all come back after institutional-wide changes, including personnel and rules.

They are leaving now to force that change.

Question to you: do you think if they keep harassing Jewish students and vandalizing Jewish symbols like the menora next year and the year after that, everyone will just accept that as a fact of life at Harvard? And Ackman and everyone will just give up?

[Not A Serious Person]

Regardless, she should have been terminated immediately following verification of her plagiarism. Shame on Harvard, aina?

Carol Swain is African American and publishes on the same topics that Claudine Gay publishes on. Claudine Gay lifted her quotes without attribution.

'I Am Seething:' Carol Swain Blasts Academic Fraud by Harvard President Claudine Gay, Calls Out the Harvard Board for Scandal's Coverup
https://tennesseestar.com/education/i-am-seething-carol-swain-blasts-academic-fraud-by-harvard-president-claudine-gay-calls-out-the-harvard-board-for-scandals-coverup/tennessee-star-staff/2023/12/12/

A fiery Swain expressed her anger over Harvard's apparent attempt to redefine plagiarism to protect its DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) image, stating that despite their best efforts, the university doesn't get to decide what constitutes plagiarism. She emphasized that Harvard's reputation has suffered tremendously as a result.

Swain detailed how her own acclaimed research was allegedly plagiarized by Gay, and pointed out that this lack of citation damages academia as a whole by undermining the work of students and researchers. Swain's stance has resonated with many who believe that Harvard's decision reflects a double standard.

[Not A Serious Person]

Musk does scare me.  All anti-semites do

Dylan Mulvaney/Bud Light = Elon/X

[21Jumpstreet]

Of course, they will all come back after institutional-wide changes, including personnel and rules.

They are leaving now to force that change.

Question to you: do you think if they keep harassing Jewish students and vandalizing Jewish symbols like the menora next year and the year after that, everyone will just accept that as a fact of life at Harvard? And Ackman and everyone will just give up?

I hope not, that shouldn't be accepted as "life at Harvard" or anywhere for that matter.

I don't think Ackman is affecting things in a wholly positive way, and I don't think he should be able to bully people/institutions to change. His views are not the be all end all, no one's are, and I would prefer less billionaire involvement in our higher education system, likely a pipe dream. What we are seeing is what we have always known, money dictates what our higher education system looks like. Now we know it's more than just what the physical campus looks like with names on buildings, it's controlling the entire culture. That is terrifying.

I do not want people to give up.

[Not A Serious Person]

https://x.com/carolmswain/status/1735833763278434535?s=20

Dr. Carol M. Swain
@carolmswain

I don't know what to make of the scores of black and white professors who have either redefined plagiarism or stated that Gay's misappropriation of their work is fine and dandy with them. Some of the apologists for plagiarism are prominent black professors who have produced excellent work. 

The Washington Post and a few other outlets are helping plant the idea that it is racist to seek the resignation of Harvard's first black president. Is anyone else thinking of the long term damage to the educational process that is occurring? It will impact secondary school educators as well as higher education ranks. We are using #DEI and race to set a new low.

#ClaudineGay #Harvarduiversity #HarvardCrimson @HarvardU @TPPF @Heritage #HigherEd #racism  #Plagiarism_Is_a_Red_Line

[Uncle Rico]

Dylan Mulvaney/Bud Light = Elon/X

Does Dylan Mulvaney promote anti-semites and anti-semitism?

[Not A Serious Person]

I hope not, that shouldn't be accepted as "life at Harvard" or anywhere for that matter.

I don't think Ackman is affecting things in a wholly positive way, and I don't think he should be able to bully people/institutions to change. His views are not the be all end all, no one's are, and I would prefer less billionaire involvement in our higher education system, likely a pipe dream. What we are seeing is what we have always known, money dictates what our higher education system looks like. Now we know it's more than just what the physical campus looks like with names on buildings, it's controlling the entire culture. That is terrifying.

I do not want people to give up.

It used to be the ultimate vanity project to put your name on a building or an entire school.

April 23, 2023
Hedge Fund CEO Ken Griffin '89 Makes $300M Donation to FAS, Harvard to Rename GSAS in His Honor
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/4/11/gsas-renamed-ken-griffin/

Billionaire hedge fund CEO and Republican megadonor Kenneth C. Griffin '89 donated $300 million to Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences, the University announced Tuesday morning.

Harvard will rename the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences after Griffin, who has now given more than half a billion dollars to the University.

---

But now, as a mega-donor, you're asked to account for all the university's policies and decisions, which makes these billionaires very uncomfortable.  They want accolades, not questions about antisemitism and DEI, because they gave money to an elite school where the Jewish students are being terrorized.

So, money is now coming with more strings attached than ever. Those strings go directly to how the school is run.

If you don't like it, find your money elsewhere ... or raise tuition.

The game has changed, probably for everyone ... and you can thank Harvard for this change.

December 14, 2023
A New Playbook for College Donors: Power Politics
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/us/universities-donors-penn-harvard.html
Donations to U.S. universities reached $59.5 billion last year, and they come increasingly from a smaller group of wealthy donors. Many of them expect their money to buy a voice in university affairs.

[MU82]

Musk does scare me.  All anti-semites do

Seriously, Unk ... why won't these folks condemn Elon Musk's antisemitism? He is more powerful than any university president, more powerful than most politicians, and sure as hell more powerful than any of us Scoopers.

Musk endorses antisemite twits, lets antisemites (and racists and conspiracy theorists and criminals) take over his cesspool of a social platform, touts antisemite politicians.

But yes, some 20-year-old college kid, some minor politician or a few Scoopers ... those are your threats to Judaism.

I mean, I get that politics colors things for lots of us, but I have to say I don't get this. It would be so easy to say, "I think Musk is brilliant, but I am sickened by his antisemitism." But they can't say it.

The guy's an effen antisemite. But hey, he's rich and powerful and a "genius" and he hates "woke," so ... cool!

[Uncle Rico]

Seriously, Unk ... why won't these folks condemn Elon Musk's antisemitism? He is more powerful than any university president, more powerful than most politicians, and sure as hell more powerful than any of us Scoopers.

Musk endorses antisemite twits, lets antisemites (and racists and conspiracy theorists and criminals) take over his cesspool of a social platform, touts antisemite politicians.

But yes, some 20-year-old college kid, some minor politician or a few Scoopers ... those are your threats to Judaism.

I mean, I get that politics colors things for lots of us, but I have to say I don't get this. It would be so easy to say, "I think Musk is brilliant, but I am sickened by his antisemitism." But they can't say it.

The guy's an effen antisemite. But hey, he's rich and powerful and a "genius" and he hates "woke," so ... cool!

Tribalism is the short answer.

Gay should be fired.  The plagiarism for starters and then for not fostering a safe atmosphere on her campus.  End of debate, imo.  Won't change the war, nor will condemning Musk.  It's not hard but pretzel logic is amusing

[21Jumpstreet]

It used to be the ultimate vanity project to put your name on a building or an entire school.

April 23, 2023
Hedge Fund CEO Ken Griffin '89 Makes $300M Donation to FAS, Harvard to Rename GSAS in His Honor
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/4/11/gsas-renamed-ken-griffin/

Billionaire hedge fund CEO and Republican megadonor Kenneth C. Griffin '89 donated $300 million to Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences, the University announced Tuesday morning.

Harvard will rename the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences after Griffin, who has now given more than half a billion dollars to the University.

---

But now, as a mega-donor, you're asked to account for all the university's policies and decisions, which makes these billionaires very uncomfortable.  They want accolades, not questions about antisemitism and DEI, because they gave money to an elite school where the Jewish students are being terrorized.

So, money is now coming with more strings attached than ever. Those strings go directly to how the school is run.

If you don't like it, find your money elsewhere ... or raise tuition.

The game has changed, probably for everyone ... and you can thank Harvard for this change.

December 14, 2023
A New Playbook for College Donors: Power Politics
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/us/universities-donors-penn-harvard.html
Donations to U.S. universities reached $59.5 billion last year, and they come increasingly from a smaller group of wealthy donors. Many of them expect their money to buy a voice in university affairs.

Personally I think it's disingenuous for a billionaire donor to say they are very uncomfortable with being asked about and tasked with university operations and culture. I think what they are uncomfortable with is that they absolutely asked for it so long as it was easy and private. At least Ackman puts his thoughts out there, however right or wrong they are. He has made it very clear that he and a handful of other big donors are in charge.

[The Sultan]

It used to be the ultimate vanity project to put your name on a building or an entire school.

April 23, 2023
Hedge Fund CEO Ken Griffin '89 Makes $300M Donation to FAS, Harvard to Rename GSAS in His Honor
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/4/11/gsas-renamed-ken-griffin/

Billionaire hedge fund CEO and Republican megadonor Kenneth C. Griffin '89 donated $300 million to Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences, the University announced Tuesday morning.

Harvard will rename the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences after Griffin, who has now given more than half a billion dollars to the University.

---

But now, as a mega-donor, you're asked to account for all the university's policies and decisions, which makes these billionaires very uncomfortable.  They want accolades, not questions about antisemitism and DEI, because they gave money to an elite school where the Jewish students are being terrorized.

So, money is now coming with more strings attached than ever. Those strings go directly to how the school is run.

If you don't like it, find your money elsewhere ... or raise tuition.

The game has changed, probably for everyone ... and you can thank Harvard for this change.

December 14, 2023
A New Playbook for College Donors: Power Politics
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/us/universities-donors-penn-harvard.html
Donations to U.S. universities reached $59.5 billion last year, and they come increasingly from a smaller group of wealthy donors. Many of them expect their money to buy a voice in university affairs.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

You seriously think this is some sort of permanent change in donor motivation?  My lord you couldn't be more wrong.

[Not A Serious Person]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

You seriously think this is some sort of permanent change in donor motivation?  My lord you couldn't be more wrong.

No, I read the New York Times, and they said it is.

You live in your head and will not entertain any views outside your worldview.

[Not A Serious Person]

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_KeyResults.pdf

Harvard-Harris results are worse than you think for 18-24 year olds.

-60% said 10/7 attack can be justified by Palestinian grievances
- 79% support ideology of white ppl as oppressors
- 67% support ideology of Jews as oppressors

Numbers are flipped for every other age group.

 

Perhaps the most disturbing is that 58% of that age group acknowledge the fact that Hamas would like to commit genocide against Jews, but still 51% want Israel to be ended and the landed to be handed to Hamas.

   

[MuggsyB]

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_KeyResults.pdf

Harvard-Harris results are worse than you think for 18-24 year olds.

-60% said 10/7 attack can be justified by Palestinian grievances
- 79% support ideology of white ppl as oppressors
- 67% support ideology of Jews as oppressors

Numbers are flipped for every other age group.

 

Perhaps the most disturbing is that 58% of that age group acknowledge the fact that Hamas would like to commit genocide against Jews, but still 51% want Israel to be ended and the landed to be handed to Hamas.

   

Crazy sht. Boy we have probs Heisy. 

[The Sultan]

No, I read the New York Times, and they said it is.

You live in your head and will not entertain any views outside your worldview.

Lololololol! Dude who constantly gets things wrong thinks he's finally right.

[Not A Serious Person]

IDF trial of flooding Hamas tunnels with seawater proves successful, ToI told
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-trial-of-flooding-hamas-tunnels-with-seawater-proves-successful-toi-told/

Spokesman says army has intel on hostages' location and won't take steps that endanger them; Hamas official claims terror group's tunnels engineered to withstand such tactics

[Not A Serious Person]

GOP Lawmakers Sink Aid to Penn as Statehouses Watch How Universities Are Handling Israel-Hamas War
https://vinnews.com/2023/12/15/gop-lawmakers-sink-aid-to-penn-as-statehouses-watch-how-universities-are-handling-israel-hamas-war/

Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania defeated legislation to send $33.5 million to the University of Pennsylvania's veterinary school over criticism that the school has tolerated antisemitism, as statehouses across the U.S. eye how higher ed is handling tensions around the Israel-Hamas war.

The bill's defeat is perhaps the starkest example of how some lawmakers and governors around the country are trying to keep universities from taking sides and to toughen the schools' response to acts of hate and discrimination, including antisemitism and Islamophobia.

[MU82]

NYT: Israel Found the Hamas Money Machine Years Ago. Nobody Turned It Off

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/16/world/europe/israel-hamas-money-finance-turkey-intelligence-attacks.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231217&instance_id=110372&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=152822&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Israeli security officials scored a major intelligence coup in 2018: secret documents that laid out, in intricate detail, what amounted to a private equity fund that Hamas used to finance its operations.

The ledgers, pilfered from the computer of a senior Hamas official, listed assets worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Hamas controlled mining, chicken farming and road building companies in Sudan, twin skyscrapers in the United Arab Emirates, a property developer in Algeria, and a real estate firm listed on the Turkish stock exchange.

The documents, which The New York Times reviewed, were a potential road map for choking off Hamas's money and thwarting its plans. The agents who obtained the records shared them inside their own government and in Washington.

Nothing happened.

For years, none of the companies named in the ledgers faced sanctions from the United States or Israel. Nobody publicly called out the companies or pressured Turkey, the hub of the financial network, to shut it down.

A Times investigation found that both senior Israeli and American officials failed to prioritize financial intelligence — which they had in hand — showing that tens of millions of dollars flowed from the companies to Hamas at the exact moment that it was buying new weapons and preparing an attack.

That money, American and Israeli officials now say, helped Hamas build up its military infrastructure and helped lay the groundwork for the Oct. 7 attacks.

"Everyone is talking about failures of intelligence on Oct. 7, but no one is talking about the failure to stop the money," said Udi Levy, a former chief of Mossad's economic warfare division. "It's the money — the money — that allowed this."

[Jockey]

IDF trial of flooding Hamas tunnels with seawater proves successful, ToI told
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-trial-of-flooding-hamas-tunnels-with-seawater-proves-successful-toi-told/

Spokesman says army has intel on hostages' location and won't take steps that endanger them; Hamas official claims terror group's tunnels engineered to withstand such tactics

I think shooting them to death for no reason probably endangers them. I'm sure you'll copy and paste a 2000 word essay on reasons it won't.

[MU82]

Tribalism is the short answer.

Gay should be fired.  The plagiarism for starters and then for not fostering a safe atmosphere on her campus.  End of debate, imo.  Won't change the war, nor will condemning Musk.  It's not hard but pretzel logic is amusing

Totally agree, Unk. I thought all three university presidents should have been fired or forced out for their brain-dead responses at that hearing and other things they've said and done (or not done).

But Douchey, the dentists and a few others here know they have a major weakness in their arguments in that people they admire -- even people they borderline worship, such as Tucker, Trump and Musk -- are either antisemitic, accept and solicit support from antisemites, or both. So rather than condemn those actually powerful antisemitic or antisemite-adjacent people, they dial up the culture war crapola. And even as they excuse or even justify the antisemitism of their favorite powerful white men, they call Scoopers antisemitic simply for disagreeing with them.

Douchey has dedicated entire threads to Musk's genius but responds that he doesn't care about Musk when it's Musk who says and does antisemitic things. Isn't that convenient? The Mequon dentist has said numerous times that he could never back those who support antisemites, but he has no problem backing a guy who dined with effen neo-Nazis, kowtows to Putin and praises Hezbollah. Very convenient. Words matter deeply when someone says "from the river to the sea" (and I agree - those are hateful words). But words stop mattering when Trump uses Hitler's exact language - "vermin!" - about eradicating his enemies or when Trump says some torch-carrying Nazis making antisemitic chants are "very fine people." Why do words stop mattering? Because he's just wacky, impulsive Trump whose Jewish son-in-law took $2B of Saudi money. Locker-room talk! How convenient!

It's tribal, of course. And so freakin' hypocritical.

[forgetful]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/christian-mother-daughter-killed-while-sheltering-in-gaza-church-patriarch-says/

IDF murdering a woman and child sheltering in a Catholic Church. These are the same Christians that have lived there since the 1st century AD, meaning their ancestors may have walked with Jesus.

Also, IDF firing on their generators and water supply. These are not enemies, they are innocent civilians, most of whom are elderly and/or disabled.

The IDF previously said that anyone in these areas would be considered adversaries, and all fighting age men would be viewed as HAMAS. They have repeatedly fired on civilians in these instances (including ones trying to surrender), stripped, humiliated, and detained (and accusations of torture/interrogation) innocent civilians.

The IDF burning food, desecrating religious sites, and Israel even admitting that Settlers have conducted Pogroms on Palestinians in the West Bank.

Those that have given the IDF the 100% benefit of the doubt, how do you justify all this?

A woman and her daughter intentionally murdered by snipers as they walked between a church and a convent..., the daughter shot and murdered as she tried to rescue her elderly mother and drag her to safety? And bombing the churches generator and water supply, for a Catholic church/convent that is caring for the elderly and disabled?

That's sickening. If it is verified (the pope has already condemned it calling it terrorism), warcrime charges need to be made.