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#UnleashSean

Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 10, 2023, 02:16:09 PM
Calling a lottery pick who lead the team in points and rebounds as a freshman "disappointing" is pretty funny, tbh.

I mean, after reading the rest it's about what I expect from this guy. He clearly doesn't know ball.

bilsu

Rod Grosse was Dukiet's most disappointing recruit.


HutchwasClutch

#53
Quote from: Pakuni on August 10, 2023, 04:46:52 PM
Those things were said before Gates wrecked his knee in high school. He was never the same player.
Had he stayed healthy, Gates likely would have never made it to Marquette. He'd have been one of the top recruits in the country.

Yes he hurt his knee and it set him back. I still think he was overhyped.  He had a lousy, flat jumper with no range, even by 1990 standards for starters.  I'm really skeptical how much was there before the injury.  A lot of freshman highlights in Hoop Dreams before the injury and nothing looked special about him.  I might be wrong because it's obviously a  small sample size. 

I also am not sure how bad the injury truly was that it ruined him in and of itself. But it was late 80's/ early 90's where surgical and rehab techniques were nowhere near advanced as they are now.

I just think there are a lot of assumptions about the long term effects of the injury and how much talent he really had before it.  But I'm open I could be wrong about that skepticism.

Jay Bee

As for Gates, I was in school with him & remember being at games and occasionally having, "holy sh1t, where did that come from?!?!" moments... as in, I'd say he displayed that physically he wasn't able to do what he was likely capable of pre-injury
REJOICE! Eric Dixon has been suspended!!

mugrad_89

Jameel McKay - he could've been really good here.

MU82

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Hilarious to see both Ellenson and Moore mentioned as disappointments.

One was a double-double machine who beat Madison, made huge plays as we defeated a very good Providence team twice, and won the Barclays event ... and earned the right to be drafted in the first round.

The other was an overhyped stiff who couldn't get out of his own way.

I mean, I could see being disappointed that Marquette didn't win more with Ellenson, or that he was poorly coached. But to say he was disappointing ... really? Wow.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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HutchwasClutch

Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2023, 06:38:14 PM
Hilarious to see both Ellenson and Moore mentioned as disappointments.

One was a double-double machine who beat Madison, made huge plays as we twice defeated a very good Providence team twice, and won the Barclays event ... and earned the right to be drafted in the first round.

The other was an overhyped stiff who couldn't get out of his own way.

I mean, I could see being disappointed that Marquette didn't win more with Ellenson, or that he was poorly coached. But to say he was disappointing ... really? Wow.

Exactly, it's ludicrous.

mugrad_89

Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2023, 06:38:14 PM
Hilarious to see both Ellenson and Moore mentioned as disappointments.

One was a double-double machine who beat Madison, made huge plays as we defeated a very good Providence team twice, and won the Barclays event ... and earned the right to be drafted in the first round.

The other was an overhyped stiff who couldn't get out of his own way.

I mean, I could see being disappointed that Marquette didn't win more with Ellenson, or that he was poorly coached. But to say he was disappointing ... really? Wow.

Plus, we got the bonus of the Wally era as well.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2023, 06:38:14 PM
Hilarious to see both Ellenson and Moore mentioned as disappointments.

One was a double-double machine who beat Madison, made huge plays as we defeated a very good Providence team twice, and won the Barclays event ... and earned the right to be drafted in the first round.

The other was an overhyped stiff who couldn't get out of his own way.

I mean, I could see being disappointed that Marquette didn't win more with Ellenson, or that he was poorly coached. But to say he was disappointing ... really? Wow.

All Big East First Teamer: I'll take that disappointment every year.

Markusquette

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 10, 2023, 04:26:22 PM
Ellenson mentions here are sorry, ridiculous.  He averaged 17 and almost 10 boards a game as a freshman.  Started every game.  Had a huge game in Madison we won.  Just a few picks outside the lottery then. And his coach was one of MU's worst. 

What, he wasn't to MU what Larry Bird was to Indiana St so throw him on the list?  He played one season here as an 18/19 year old.

This is what I was thinking while reading the Ellenson mentions


Dickthedribbler

Quote from: bilsu on August 10, 2023, 06:03:16 PM
Rod Grosse was Dukiet's most disappointing recruit.

You're fishing in a deep pond there, bil.

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seakm4

Gotta go with Nick Noskowiak.  Top 100 recruit, signed LOI with MU, helped recruit the aforementioned HE, got in trouble, and never ended up setting foot on campus.  It seemed like things really spiraled for the kid from there.  Hope he figured it all out.

Holy hell all time

Montrelle Clark ended up in jail for sexual assault, I believe. Or Malik Harris who tried to light a girl's hair on fire with a bunson burner before MU messed with Buzz's happy and told him Malik was not welcome here, ending up being kicked off of KSU's team.

Buzz knew how to recruit some real winners.

The real answer to the question is Phillip Flory, who Buzz offered as an 8th grader and then he was hardly a low major player.

The Equalizer

Quote from: bilsu on August 10, 2023, 06:03:16 PM
Rod Grosse was Dukiet's most disappointing recruit.

Was this supposed to be in teal?  First, I don't think anyone expected much from Grosse when he was recruited (its not like he was Roman "biggest sleeper since Rip Van Winkle" Mueller).  And besides, he was a Majerus recruit that Dukiet inherited.

Gerald Posey and Corey Floyd are easily the two biggest disappointments of the Dukiet era--both were very highly rated coming in--Floyd never played for MU, and Posey had a run-in with Dukiet and quit.  I might add Charles Luter to the mix--highly rated in Wisconsin as a HS senior and never recovered from a pre-season knee injury before his soph year.



TallTitan34

Not sure how anyone can put Henry on this list. He was fantastic at Marquette.

GoldenWarrior11

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 10, 2023, 05:53:08 PM
I disagree. Horrible comparisons. Henry's supporting cast was lacking. Extremely young squad.

MU's offense wasn't good.

As for Markus, his teams' offenses were exceptional

The supporting cast was lacking 100%.  It's why Henry led most of our stat categories.  Some studs make the parts around them better.  Others don't.  I don't think Henry made those around him better (and this falls on Wojo).  However, its very fair to say he was a disappointment because of all the fanfare and recruiting hype he had.  We had less hyped recruits that did more from a winning standpoint than Henry did, and that's ok.

There's a reason he dropped in the draft and barely played in the NBA.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: wadesworld on August 10, 2023, 07:49:14 PM


Buzz knew how to recruit some real winners.



His recruits produced our first Big East title and more NCAA wins than any MU coach not named McGuire. So yeah, Buzz knew how to recruit some real winners.

swoopem

Mbakwe and christoferson transferring were both disappointments
Bring back FFP!!!

Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 10, 2023, 08:42:06 PM
His recruits produced our first Big East title and more NCAA wins than any MU coach not named McGuire. So yeah, Buzz knew how to recruit some real winners.

It's almost like two things can be true at once.

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Jamil Wilson. Good player, but never developed that next gear to fulfill the hype and potential he had.

Viper

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 10, 2023, 06:41:15 PM
Exactly, it's ludicrous.
I was a Henry fan. I remember it came down to Kentucky, MI State and Marquette. I wish he had stayed for a sophomore year.

Viper

Quote from: seakm4 on August 10, 2023, 07:45:59 PM
Gotta go with Nick Noskowiak.  Top 100 recruit, signed LOI with MU, helped recruit the aforementioned HE, got in trouble, and never ended up setting foot on campus.  It seemed like things really spiraled for the kid from there.  Hope he figured it all out.
he was highly touted. I heard he could really play. Out of Sun Prairie, I believe?

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