2023-24 NBA Thread

[Pakuni]

I can always count on the lame "MVP doesn't mean best" argument to justify a poor selection. And Rose was a poor selection.

I'm not arguing. Im stating a fact.
You're free to believe it was a poor choice. Nobody's stopping you. I'm free to point out that 113 of the 121 people who earned a vote - and almost certainly watched more games than you - thought otherwise. Or that the guy you think was the obvious choice didn't even place second. Or that Durant didn't get a single first-place vote.

[WhiteTrash]

We can all agree Jordan was more deserving that Barkley. Right?

[MuggsyB]

We can all agree Jordan was more deserving that Barkley. Right?

The best pound for pound and inch for inch player should get the MVP. 

[PGsHeroes32]

The best pound for pound and inch for inch player should get the MVP. 

Correct give it to the big boys

Cant be letting the lil midgies get rewarded.

[Lennys Tap]

Its a regular season award.

Worth noting that Rose got 113 of 121 first-place votes. There was nothing questionable about the selection at the time.

Yep. It was a landslide. LeBron got Jill Stein level support that year, which was about right.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

lol. Yes God forbid we question the all knowing sportswriters.

Lebron lead every advanced stat category, but had been branded a bad guy due to The Decision. But he had the better season. And that became obvious when he dominated the ECF against Rose's Bulls.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I could actually make the argument that he's the least deserving MVP of the past twenty years.  And I know we are dealing with hypotheticals here, but he wasn't going to be better than Curry, Durant, Jokic or Giannis.

So this was my original statement.  Over the last 20 seasons, Derrick Rose had the third lowest Winshares per 48 of any NBA MVP. The only one's lower were Nash in '04-'05 and Bryant in '07-'08.  Ditto for VORP.

Bryant clipped him for total win shares and in PER rating. In both those categories, Rose finishes 19 out of the last 20.  BTW, Lebron lead the league in all four categories in 2010-11.

So while I could make the argument Rose was the worst MVP over the last 20 years, I would have to say the Nash MVP in '04-'05 was worse. 

[MuggsyB]

So this was my original statement.  Over the last 20 seasons, Derrick Rose had the third lowest Winshares per 48 of any NBA MVP. The only one's lower were Nash in '04-'05 and Bryant in '07-'08.  Ditto for VORP.

Bryant clipped him for total win shares and in PER rating. In both those categories, Rose finishes 19 out of the last 20.  BTW, Lebron lead the league in all four categories in 2010-11.

So while I could make the argument Rose was the worst MVP over the last 20 years, I would have to say the Nash MVP in '04-'05 was worse.

Didn't Phoenix have the best record in the league in '04-5?  I'm not saying Nash deserved the MVP but they were the best reg season team for a couple of years.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Didn't Phoenix have the best record in the league in '04-5?  I'm not saying Nash deserved the MVP but they were the best reg season team for a couple of years.

Sure. I'm not even saying (like I am with Rose) that he didn't deserve the MVP.  Just that of all the MVPs of the last twenty years, Nash had the least impressive resume.

[Pakuni]

lol. Yes God forbid we question the all knowing sportswriters.

Lebron lead every advanced stat category, but had been branded a bad guy due to The Decision. But he had the better season. And that became obvious when he dominated the ECF against Rose's Bulls.

Again, it's a regular season award. The vote is taken before the playoffs begin and Rose received the trophy almost two weeks before game one of the ECF.
Suggesting the results of the ECF helps prove LeBron had the better regular season and should have won the regular season MVP award makes zero sense.



Again, you're free to your opinion.

[Uncle Rico]

Again, it's a regular season award. The vote is taken before the playoffs begin and Rose received the trophy almost two weeks before game one of the ECF.
Suggesting the results of the ECF helps prove LeBron had the better regular season and should have won the regular season MVP award makes zero sense.



Again, you're free to your opinion.

I do believe there was an-anti LeBron vibe back then (still is cuz he's woke).  Plus, he had Wade and Bosh.  I don't think Sultan is wrong that LeBron had a better year but I think Rose was more valuable to the Bulls.

[Hards Alumni]

I do believe there was an-anti LeBron vibe back then (still is cuz he's woke).  Plus, he had Wade and Bosh.  I don't think Sultan is wrong that LeBron had a better year but I think Rose was more valuable to the Bulls.

Then Rose should have been the MVP of the Bulls, not the league.

[Uncle Rico]

Then Rose should have been the MVP of the Bulls, not the league.

Is it best player or most valuable?

LeBron should probably have half a dozen MVPs at a minimum

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I do believe there was an-anti LeBron vibe back then (still is cuz he's woke).  Plus, he had Wade and Bosh.  I don't think Sultan is wrong that LeBron had a better year but I think Rose was more valuable to the Bulls.

Lebron was the two time reigning MVP who had just come off The Decision. To say there was a anti-Lebron vibe is putting it mildly.

[Hards Alumni]

Is it best player or most valuable?

LeBron should probably have half a dozen MVPs at a minimum

I think that's always been the hard question.

"The NBA Most Valuable Player Award (MVP) is an annual National Basketball Association (NBA) award given since the 1955–56 season to the best performing player of the regular season."

Just going from wikipedia there.

And agree, Lebron should have more.

[Its DJOver]

Yea, if you actually judge it by "value to their team" it would artificially be inflated by superstars on bad teams and Dame would have 3 or 4.

There's also definitely a "voter fatigue" aspect that has probably negatively affected Lebron more than anyone else in the league.

There are cases to be made for players that didn't win it, there are cases to be made against players that did win it. Such is professional sports.

[Pakuni]

This is from 2017 ... a group of NBA writers discussing what criteria they consider when making their MVP votes.

https://www.nba.com/news/blogtable-what-criteria-matters-most-making-mvp-decision

[Pakuni]

What do the Knkcks have left to trade?


@ShamsCharania
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BREAKING: The Minnesota Timberwolves are nearing a trade to send All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns to the New York Knicks, sources tell me and
@JonKrawczynski
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[Uncle Rico]

What do the Knkcks have left to trade?


@ShamsCharania
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BREAKING: The Minnesota Timberwolves are nearing a trade to send All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns to the New York Knicks, sources tell me and
@JonKrawczynski
.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1839851556419576290?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

[Shaka Shart]

Can't wait to see KAT and the NY media

[Badgerhater]

KAT should do well with the New York Koleks.

[MuggsyB]

Giving Ant a lights out spot shooter helps Minny. 

[cheebs09]

Giving Ant a lights out spot shooter helps Minny.

Am I missing a part of this deal? Are either DDV or Randle that guy? I thought DDV is a better than average shooter, but I don't remember him being lights out.

[wadesworld]

Am I missing a part of this deal? Are either DDV or Randle that guy? I thought DDV is a better than average shooter, but I don't remember him being lights out.

40% on high volume from 3 both of the past 2 years.

I said at the time that the Bucks traded DDV for Serge that it was a joke, and it's aged even worse than I ever would've imagined.

[Skatastrophy]

Thibs wanted a second chance to break KAT