Victims of hate in Colorado -- but heroes, too

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Are these the good cops or bad cops?  I can't keep track

ACAB per jockitch.

[Pakuni]

Another day, another mass shooting..


@MichelleWolfTV: #UPDATE A Chesapeake police spokesperson tells us at this point he believes no more than 10 people have died. It's unclear if the shooter was an employee. The shooter is now deceased. Officers are walking through the Walmart super center checking for victims.

[Billy Hoyle]

So i guess its not a hate crime now?

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So i guess its not a hate crime now?

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

Not necessarily. I don't know the specific laws in Colorado but in most cases you can commit a hate crime against a protected class that you are a member of. Also, LGBTQ+ is not a monolith. The suspect could be a non-binary person who was targeting people who are gay or lesbian, etc.

There is also the possibility that this is merely an attempt at a defense against hate crime charges. Not sure what if any evidence they have that this is a hate crime other than the fact that it was an LGBTQ+ bar. I can't imagine that by itself would be enough to convict (but probably is enough to charge).

[MU82]

The Colorado Springs shooting is such a sad story all the way around.

++ The attacker apparently was relentlessly bullied as a teenager -- the kind of thing that happens all the time to kids who are viewed as "different" by their peers and/or family members -- and his father was an abusive dirtball. It doesn't excuse the crime, obviously, but it does add context.

++ There are all the innocent victims of the shooting. Needless loss. Tragic. Marginalized within our society, the victims thought they were in a safe place, only to be gunned down just for being who they were. These kinds of crimes are becoming more common, whether the victims are LGBTQ, Jewish, Muslim, Black, Asian, Latino, etc, and whether they take place in clubs, churches, synagogues, villages, college campuses or wherever.

++ The legal system will work out whether or not this particular attack was a "hate crime." It's not really what's important today -- except, perhaps, to the straight, white males who constantly portray themselves as the real victims.

++ There have been at least 3 mass shootings in America just the past few days. As always, one has to fight off simply shrugging one's shoulders and saying, "What else is new?"

[Jay Bee]

We need to lock up losers like this "Mx." before it gets this bad. Plenty of warning signs, as is usually the case.

[🏀]

The Colorado Springs shooting is such a sad story all the way around.

++ The attacker apparently was relentlessly bullied as a teenager -- the kind of thing that happens all the time to kids who are viewed as "different" by their peers and/or family members -- and his father was an abusive dirtball. It doesn't excuse the crime, obviously, but it does add context.

++ There are all the innocent victims of the shooting. Needless loss. Tragic. Marginalized within our society, the victims thought they were in a safe place, only to be gunned down just for being who they were. These kinds of crimes are becoming more common, whether the victims are LGBTQ, Jewish, Muslim, Black, Asian, Latino, etc, and whether they take place in clubs, churches, synagogues, villages, college campuses or wherever.

++ The legal system will work out whether or not this particular attack was a "hate crime." It's not really what's important today -- except, perhaps, to the straight, white males who constantly portray themselves as the real victims.

++ There have been at least 3 mass shootings in America just the past few days. As always, one has to fight off simply shrugging one's shoulders and saying, "What else is new?"

But great people like little Billy are more concerned about the definition of a hate crime.

It's FIVE mass shootings in FOUR days. Body count is 17.

America is a parody.

[Jockey]

We need to lock up losers like this "Mx." before it gets this bad. Plenty of warning signs, as is usually the case.

You're a true Americun. Lock up people before they commit crimes. 

How about not giving him access to weapons of war?

[Jay Bee]

You're a true Americun. Lock up people before they commit crimes. 

How about not giving him access to weapons of war?

"They" have committed crimes in the past

[rocket surgeon]

this LOSER should never have been out to commit these atrocious crimes but due to this criminal justice reform blah blah...this is what happens.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/11/22/colorado-springs-shooting-anderson-aldrich-red-flag-records/10758028002/


  "In short: giving those accused of a crime a chance to move on in an arrest that never resulted in a conviction, as was the case in El Paso County in 2021 with Anderson Lee Aldrich, the suspect in the mass shooting in Colorado late Saturday."

in other words, there was no record of his previous "run in"??  nice, blame the gun

[tower912]

He found a second amendment sanctuary community.    Local officials against red flag laws.    Knew his environment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_sanctuary

Law enforcement chose to promote the right to own a gun over restrictions like red flag laws.   

So, whether or not he SHOULD have been able to purchase a weapon, in this community law enforcement would not stop him. 

I continue to be grateful for courage in the face of carnage. 

[JWags85]

You're a true Americun. Lock up people before they commit crimes. 

How about not giving him access to weapons of war?

"They" have committed crimes in the past

Yet again, both can be true.

"Collateral relief" seems like a nice idea in theory.  But why its working in a situation like a homemade bomb and threats with said bomb, less than 18 months after said arrest, is pretty bad.  Not like it was some misdemeanor drug charge or theft.

[tower912]

See:  Second amendment sanctuary.   
That guys should not have been able to purchase a weapon based on his past.     In that jurisdiction, the constabulary has chosen to not enforce Red Flag laws.     

I agree.   Two things can be true at the same time.   

[MU82]

"Sanctuary communities" ... another thing we're against, unless we're not.

Similar to "my body my choice" and "law and order."

[Pakuni]

this LOSER should never have been out to commit these atrocious crimes but due to this criminal justice reform blah blah...this is what happens.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/11/22/colorado-springs-shooting-anderson-aldrich-red-flag-records/10758028002/


  "In short: giving those accused of a crime a chance to move on in an arrest that never resulted in a conviction, as was the case in El Paso County in 2021 with Anderson Lee Aldrich, the suspect in the mass shooting in Colorado late Saturday."

in other words, there was no record of his previous "run in"??  nice, blame the gun

Like Cheeks, you never actually bother to read the stories you link here.

Colorado's District Attorneys' Council has raised concerns about the records sealing laws, but has mainly focused on ensuring the records are still available to law enforcement.
So far, they've been successful in those efforts, said Timothy Lane, the group's legislative liaison and policy analyst.
"There's a difference between sealing and expunging," Lane said. "All of these records still exist and can be shared with law enforcement agencies if there's a proper purpose."

[rocket surgeon]

Like Cheeks, you never actually bother to read the stories you link here.

Colorado's District Attorneys' Council has raised concerns about the records sealing laws, but has mainly focused on ensuring the records are still available to law enforcement.
So far, they've been successful in those efforts, said Timothy Lane, the group's legislative liaison and policy analyst.
"There's a difference between sealing and expunging," Lane said. "All of these records still exist and can be shared with law enforcement agencies if there's a proper purpose."

  and then there's this-"Lee said questions about the system should be directed to the district attorney who decided against prosecuting Aldrich last year—which could have created a criminal record. That record, in turn could have prevented the shooter from legally purchasing firearms.

  and this-""All of these records still exist and can be shared with law enforcement agencies if there's a proper purpose"???

you know what i'm getting at pak and these woke DA's are letting these criminals out and/or off while gov's and atty gen's are emptying our prisons.  gee, i wonder why crime is out of control in san fran, ny, et.al.  innocent people are getting hurt and killed very unnecessarily.  if docs and cops are held accountable for their actions and rightly so, so should judges and DA's and whoever else is recklessly allowing criminals to walk

[Uncle Rico]

  and then there's this-"Lee said questions about the system should be directed to the district attorney who decided against prosecuting Aldrich last year—which could have created a criminal record. That record, in turn could have prevented the shooter from legally purchasing firearms.

  and this-""All of these records still exist and can be shared with law enforcement agencies if there's a proper purpose"???

you know what i'm getting at pak and these woke DA's are letting these criminals out and/or off while gov's and atty gen's are emptying our prisons.  gee, i wonder why crime is out of control in san fran, ny, et.al.  innocent people are getting hurt and killed very unnecessarily.  if docs and cops are held accountable for their actions and rightly so, so should judges and DA's and whoever else is recklessly allowing criminals to walk

I'll give this a 9.5 out of 10.  Fantastic stuff!

[jesmu84]

  and then there's this-"Lee said questions about the system should be directed to the district attorney who decided against prosecuting Aldrich last year—which could have created a criminal record. That record, in turn could have prevented the shooter from legally purchasing firearms.

  and this-""All of these records still exist and can be shared with law enforcement agencies if there's a proper purpose"???

you know what i'm getting at pak and these woke DA's are letting these criminals out and/or off while gov's and atty gen's are emptying our prisons.  gee, i wonder why crime is out of control in san fran, ny, et.al.  innocent people are getting hurt and killed very unnecessarily.  if docs and cops are held accountable for their actions and rightly so, so should judges and DA's and whoever else is recklessly allowing criminals to walk

Do you know the information surrounding the DA that chose not to prosecute in this situation?

[forgetful]

Do you know the information surrounding the DA that chose not to prosecute in this situation?

This is also in TX, not exactly the homestead of "woke DAs". I haven't seen the particulars in that case, but the fact that both he and his mother avoided prosecution in pretty serious cases likely had more to do with the fact that the shooters grandfather is a prominent politician (tea partier and defender of the Jan. 6th insurrection).

[MU82]

woke DA's

I guess they need to stop following the First Step Act.

[jesmu84]

  and then there's this-"Lee said questions about the system should be directed to the district attorney who decided against prosecuting Aldrich last year—which could have created a criminal record. That record, in turn could have prevented the shooter from legally purchasing firearms.

  and this-""All of these records still exist and can be shared with law enforcement agencies if there's a proper purpose"???

you know what i'm getting at pak and these woke DA's are letting these criminals out and/or off while gov's and atty gen's are emptying our prisons.  gee, i wonder why crime is out of control in san fran, ny, et.al.  innocent people are getting hurt and killed very unnecessarily.  if docs and cops are held accountable for their actions and rightly so, so should judges and DA's and whoever else is recklessly allowing criminals to walk

Sanctuary city to blame, aina?

[wadesworld]

So Roquet stepping directly in it again? Take as old as time.

[Uncle Rico]

So Roquet stepping directly in it again? Take as old as time.

Here's my shocked face.  His kids need to intervene worse than Chico's

[tower912]

One if the other heroes who stormed the gun made a statement today.   He also has a military background.