More conference realignment talk

[Herman Cain]

 UNC Womans Soccer coach opposed to Stanford and Cal joining ACC

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/die-on-the-vine-unc-s-dorrance-not-interested-in-adding-stanford-cal-to-the-acc/21012562/

[shoothoops]

UNC Womans Soccer coach opposed to Stanford and Cal joining ACC

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/die-on-the-vine-unc-s-dorrance-not-interested-in-adding-stanford-cal-to-the-acc/21012562/

In the last 20 seasons, Stanford has made the College Cup Final Four 9 times, winning 3 national titles. 19 NCAA appearances out of 20. They were sweet 16 or better 13 times. They have very strong recruiting classes for 2024 and 2025.

[WhiteTrash]

UNC Womans Soccer coach opposed to Stanford and Cal joining ACC

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/die-on-the-vine-unc-s-dorrance-not-interested-in-adding-stanford-cal-to-the-acc/21012562/

While this is significant, I would not expect the ACC to make a decision until the Wake Forest men's gymnastics coach weighs in.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

You must drink a lot

Sultan is the Mayor of the Mecca bar after all.

[avid1010]

While this is significant, I would not expect the ACC to make a decision until the Wake Forest men's gymnastics coach weighs in.

Well played

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

SMU, Cal and Stanford are invited to join the ACC.

[Hards Alumni]

SMU, Cal and Stanford are invited to join the ACC.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand no one is even remotely excited.

Feels a lot like a shotgun wedding.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Id be curiuos to know what the final vote was and what changes they had to make to the distribution model to get the big schools to say yes. My guess is that this move results in most ACC schools taking a significant paycut and the likes of FSU, Clemson, UVA, and UNC getting significant raises. The fact that the cali schools are coming in at 30% and SMU at 0% for seven years is mind boggling to me. That's a lot to give up for a ride on a ship that's sinking within 13 years

[The Lens]

What was SMU getting for TV now? What are they giving up? $15, $20 million?

The side benefits (attendance etc) of the ACC should cover old conference receipts. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

SMU is giving up about $8 million a year. They are making a bet that they can make that up on the back end of the ACC deal, which will be about five or six seasons beyond when their 0% payout is done. Not sure that's a great bet but SMU has the cash.

Hell, they could take $50M out of their $2B endowment and treat it like an alternative investment.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

What was SMU getting for TV now? What are they giving up? $15, $20 million?

The side benefits (attendance etc) of the ACC should cover old conference receipts.

Less than that.  Isn't the AAC contract like $8mil per year?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand no one is even remotely excited.

Feels a lot like a shotgun wedding.

It is a shotgun wedding but the crap of the ACC is excited about it.  The likes of Cuse, Pitt, BC, etc know they will only be a power school for as long as the ACC stays alive.  This move takes the required number of votes to dissolve the conference from 8 to 10 and they just stuffed the balloy box with three more schools that will vote to keep the ACC together. It also gives them some buffer room if any schools were to find their way out of the GoR on their own. Theres a clause that allows ESpN to renegotiate the ACCs contract if they fall below 15 schools,  this gives them a 3 school buffer.

The biggest loser here is ESPN. They didn't put any stipulations on quality of addition when they allowed for expansion in the ACCs contract.

Also, SMU got picked up by the ACC before UConn, lol

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Also, SMU got picked up by the ACC before UConn, lol

I don't think that's a good take. UConn isn't in the position to pay an exit fee plus forgo revenue. Only a private school could accept that IMO.

[Herman Cain]

It is a shotgun wedding but the crap of the ACC is excited about it.  The likes of Cuse, Pitt, BC, etc know they will only be a power school for as long as the ACC stays alive.  This move takes the required number of votes to dissolve the conference from 8 to 10 and they just stuffed the balloy box with three more schools that will vote to keep the ACC together. It also gives them some buffer room if any schools were to find their way out of the GoR on their own. Theres a clause that allows ESpN to renegotiate the ACCs contract if they fall below 15 schools,  this gives them a 3 school buffer.

The biggest loser here is ESPN. They didn't put any stipulations on quality of addition when they allowed for expansion in the ACCs contract.

Also, SMU got picked up by the ACC before UConn, lol

This is a win for the ACC . ESPN is also happy.

UNC Board of Trustees voted against this deal, will be interesting to see which schools voted for it. Or if UNC President ignored the Board.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yeah I would guess that ESPN's additional outlay is pretty much a break even compared to what the extra content would generate, and if it keeps the underpaid ACC together, it's a win for them.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

It is a shotgun wedding but the crap of the ACC is excited about it.  The likes of Cuse, Pitt, BC, etc know they will only be a power school for as long as the ACC stays alive.  This move takes the required number of votes to dissolve the conference from 8 to 10 and they just stuffed the balloy box with three more schools that will vote to keep the ACC together. It also gives them some buffer room if any schools were to find their way out of the GoR on their own. Theres a clause that allows ESpN to renegotiate the ACCs contract if they fall below 15 schools,  this gives them a 3 school buffer.

The biggest loser here is ESPN. They didn't put any stipulations on quality of addition when they allowed for expansion in the ACCs contract.

Also, SMU got picked up by the ACC before UConn, lol

SMU will be receiving $0 from the ACC for 7 years as part of the deal.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is a win for the ACC . ESPN is also happy.

UNC Board of Trustees voted against this deal, will be interesting to see which schools voted for it. Or if UNC President ignored the Board.

ESPN is happy about being forced to pay $70 million for the privledge of broadcasting  Cal, Stanford, and SMU football? Especially when they already had SMU football at a cheaper price point? If you believe that,  I have a bridge to sell you that you are just going to love.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

SMU will be receiving $0 from the ACC for 7 years as part of the deal.

They recieve $0 from broadcast rights for 7 years.  There are other payouts they will recieve that will likely come close to what they were getting in the AAC. Still,  it is wild

[MU82]

Crazy Daze.

Already looking forward to the big Wake Forest - Cal grudge match!

[forgetful]

SMU is giving up about $8 million a year. They are making a bet that they can make that up on the back end of the ACC deal, which will be about five or six seasons beyond when their 0% payout is done. Not sure that's a great bet but SMU has the cash.

Hell, they could take $50M out of their $2B endowment and treat it like an alternative investment.

Donors will float any and all losses that result from this deal. The gamble is whether the ACC still even exists at the end of all this...but their hope is that when all the dust settles this opportunity will give them the platform to prove they deserve a seat at the table in whatever new changes/realignments occur.

[MUbiz]

This is a win for the ACC . ESPN is also happy.

UNC Board of Trustees voted against this deal, will be interesting to see which schools voted for it. Or if UNC President ignored the Board.

The 3 schools that voted against expansion are the 3 most likely to leave in the future - UNC, FSU, and Clemson.  Everyone else voted to expand, including NC State which is interesting because they normally stick with UNC.

[WhiteTrash]

This is a win for the ACC . ESPN is also happy.

UNC Board of Trustees voted against this deal, will be interesting to see which schools voted for it. Or if UNC President ignored the Board.

I think it is a win for the ACC. This is a big win for FSU, Miami, Clemson, NCST & UNC. Is there any doubt they have changed their vote (maybe not the U) because they have been given an exit path from the ACC?

My how times have changed, the ACC is reduced to picking up schools the BIG 12 said "no" to.  But the ACC is smart to start backfilling for the schools who are going to leave.

[Coleman]

PAC12 is down to 2.

All that remains to be done is merge with the Mountain West, presumably under the PAC12 brand

[SaveOD238]

PAC12 is down to 2.

All that remains to be done is merge with the Mountain West, presumably under the PAC12 brand

Yeah this feels inevitable now.

WSU and OSU will join the Mountain West and then they will buy the name from the shell of the Pac12.  Or they could go with something new like PacWest.

There's probably some tournament credits and bowl tie-ins that need to get reworked as well.

[Johnny B]

PAC12 is down to 2.

All that remains to be done is merge with the Mountain West, presumably under the PAC12 brand

2PAC?