Hauser Brothers Post MU Thread

[PGsHeroes32]

I always dismiss them. They're overrated every year. The one thing they have going for them is they'll go like 28-2, win their conference Tourney, and get at worst a 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, which keeps them out West, which is almost always the weakest region since most of the top teams are coming from the East and Midwest, so it always ends up being the worst of each top 4 seed gets sent out West.

Suggs makes this year different for them. He is the highest level talent that program has ever seen. And with no typical Kentucky or Duke level team this year, this is as good of a shot as they'll ever have.

That Zags team that lost in the title game to UNC was really, really good.

[Billy Hoyle]

I always dismiss them. They're overrated every year. The one thing they have going for them is they'll go like 28-2, win their conference Tourney, and get at worst a 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, which keeps them out West, which is almost always the weakest region since most of the top teams are coming from the East and Midwest, so it always ends up being the worst of each top 4 seed gets sent out West.

Suggs makes this year different for them. He is the highest level talent that program has ever seen. And with no typical Kentucky or Duke level team this year, this is as good of a shot as they'll ever have.

They've been to at least the Sweet 16 the past 5 NCAA tournaments snd haven't lost to a higher seed since 2013 (Final Four participant Wichita State)

[rocky_warrior]

They've been to at least the Sweet 16 the past 5 NCAA tournaments snd haven't lost to a higher seed since 2013 (Final Four participant Wichita State)

I think that's his point... "The one thing they have going for them is they'll go like 28-2, win their conference Tourney, and get at worst a 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, which keeps them out West, which is almost always the weakest region"

[Billy Hoyle]

I think that's his point... "The one thing they have going for them is they'll go like 28-2, win their conference Tourney, and get at worst a 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, which keeps them out West, which is almost always the weakest region"

Actually, since 2013 they have been 8, 2, 11, 4, 1 seeds. They load up in non-conference, and strong armed the WCC to drop to 16 conference games.

[rocky_warrior]

Actually, since 2013 they have been 8, 2, 11, 4, 1 seeds. They load up in non-conference, and strong armed the WCC to drop to 16 conference games.

Hold, on, lets go with your original "They've been to at least the Sweet 16 the past 5 NCAA tournaments"..

'18-'19 - 1 seed, E8
'17-'18 - 4 seed, S16
'16-'17 - 1 seed, Runner up
'15-'16 - 11 seed, S16
'14-15 - 2 seed, E8

So really, 2, 11, 1, 4, 1.  So the 11 seed year when they weren't favored they beat SHU, Utah, and lost to Cuse.  Over-seeded or not, they've generally gotten a favorable seed, and been in the weak west. 

[The Big East]

Izzo understands how to coach showed Joey that he has to play Izzos way or bench . Joey adapted to Izzos way.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2020/11/26/michigan-state-basketball-joshua-langford-returns-joey-hauser-debuts/6431650002/

[The Big East]

Joey Hauser with 10 Points 16 boards and 4 assists in the Spartans win over The Irish.

Joey averaging a double double so far in the first two games.

[Lennys Tap]

Hold, on, lets go with your original "They've been to at least the Sweet 16 the past 5 NCAA tournaments"..

'18-'19 - 1 seed, E8
'17-'18 - 4 seed, S16
'16-'17 - 1 seed, Runner up
'15-'16 - 11 seed, S16
'14-15 - 2 seed, E8

So really, 2, 11, 1, 4, 1.  So the 11 seed year when they weren't favored they beat SHU, Utah, and lost to Cuse.  Over-seeded or not, they've generally gotten a favorable seed, and been in the weak west.

The NCAA moves teams around to balance the regions. The West (geographically) may have the weakest teams but it's not necessarily the weakest regional year in and year out.

Gonzaga has 15 NCAA tournament wins in the last 5 years. How many teams have more?

[Uncle Rico]

Izzo understands how to coach showed Joey that he has to play Izzos way or bench . Joey adapted to Izzos way.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2020/11/26/michigan-state-basketball-joshua-langford-returns-joey-hauser-debuts/6431650002/

That also means keeping your mouth shut when your teammates commit a crime, the Sparty And Izzo Way

[tower912]

ND was dreadful.   Offense was all one on one and jack the first open 3.  Went zone.  Izzo stuck Joey at the foul line.   They got him the ball there easily and he made plays from there.

[Galway Eagle]

ND was dreadful.   Offense was all one on one and jack the first open 3.  Went zone.  Izzo stuck Joey at the foul line.   They got him the ball there easily and he made plays from there.

What happened to Brey I feel like his teams have just fallen apart recently.

[The Big East]

Good Article on MSU vs Notre Dame. Nice Headline for Joey.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2020/11/28/michigan-state-basketball-score-notre-dame/6454432002/

[real chili 83]

ND sucks

[brewcity77]

What happened to Brey I feel like his teams have just fallen apart recently.

Honestly don't know. Recruiting hasn't changed much, usually in the 25-50 range with the occasional top-20 or sub-100 class. Their offense has fallen off, but I'm not sure exactly why. Maybe Prentiss Hubb just isn't as good a lead guard as guys they've had in the past. They had 13 of 16 seasons with top-30 offenses, but this is the fourth straight season they've been outside the top-30.

It might just be the strengthening of the ACC. Louisville and Syracuse are tough to compete with, and the rise of programs like Virginia and Florida State just leaves less room in the top-half for a program like ND. The Irish were always a bit different in that most slow-down teams had defense as their calling card. Maybe that blueprint just isn't working as well as the game modernizes.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Honestly don't know. Recruiting hasn't changed much, usually in the 25-50 range with the occasional top-20 or sub-100 class. Their offense has fallen off, but I'm not sure exactly why. Maybe Prentiss Hubb just isn't as good a lead guard as guys they've had in the past. They had 13 of 16 seasons with top-30 offenses, but this is the fourth straight season they've been outside the top-30.

It might just be the strengthening of the ACC. Louisville and Syracuse are tough to compete with, and the rise of programs like Virginia and Florida State just leaves less room in the top-half for a program like ND. The Irish were always a bit different in that most slow-down teams had defense as their calling card. Maybe that blueprint just isn't working as well as the game modernizes.

It's their talent IMO. Right now Cannaughton is their only alum in the NBA and he graduated in 2015.

[Galway Eagle]

It's their talent IMO. Right now Cannaughton is their only alum in the NBA and he graduated in 2015.

Jerian grants on the wizards

But not sure NBA players correlate with their success. the Shrek twins (Cooley and Harangody) never amounted to more than a small cup of coffee in the NBA but they were some of the better college players in the country during their Tenure

[brewcity77]

Jerian grants on the wizards

But not sure NBA players correlate with their success. the Shrek twins (Cooley and Harangody) never amounted to more than a small cup of coffee in the NBA but they were some of the better college players in the country during their Tenure

Brey always did it mostly with guys that were just off the NBA radar. Tim Abromaitis, Ben Hansbrough, Zach Auguste, Bonzie Colson, Demetrius Jackson, he had a lot of guys that were really good college players but weren't long-time NBA pros. Not sure why he doesn't seem to be having the same success unearthing those guys, but quite a few of their best players were 2/3 stars that blossomed in college. Maybe it's just difficult relying on that much development, especially as players who aren't getting minutes are becoming more likely to seek better opportunities through transfer.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Brey always did it mostly with guys that were just off the NBA radar. Tim Abromaitis, Ben Hansbrough, Zach Auguste, Bonzie Colson, Demetrius Jackson, he had a lot of guys that were really good college players but weren't long-time NBA pros. Not sure why he doesn't seem to be having the same success unearthing those guys, but quite a few of their best players were 2/3 stars that blossomed in college. Maybe it's just difficult relying on that much development, especially as players who aren't getting minutes are becoming more likely to seek better opportunities through transfer.

The back to back E8's in 2015 and 2016 are pretty much outliers. In his 20 years at ND he's only been to one other S16. Maybe he just isn't as good as we think.

[tower912]

Sparty had a 26-2 run spanning the end of the first half and the start of the second half.   During that time, ND never ran a set other than pass around the perimeter and shoot the first open 3 or pass the ball into the post and stand around.   MSU figured it out, clamped down on their defense and got their transition game going   at the same time, against the ND zone, Izzo put Joey at the foul line.   NDs zone was passive.   MSU kept feeding Joey.  He immediately looked to the low block and hit Kithier.   Zone busted.

[PGsHeroes32]

Sparty had a 26-2 run spanning the end of the first half and the start of the second half.   During that time, ND never ran a set other than pass around the perimeter and shoot the first open 3 or pass the ball into the post and stand around.   MSU figured it out, clamped down on their defense and got their transition game going   at the same time, against the ND zone, Izzo put Joey at the foul line.   NDs zone was passive.   MSU kept feeding Joey.  He immediately looked to the low block and hit Kithier.   Zone busted.

Yeah that ND team is bad. They came out with a lot of energy and made shots early. MSU did what a good team and all time coach do. Adjusted and it got ugly really fast.

[The Big East]

MSU beat writer likes the team, but says big test coming up versus Duke and Virginia

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2020/11/28/msu-basketball-michigan-state-notre-dame-three-quick-takes-couch-column/6443528002/

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

MSU beat writer likes the team, but says big test coming up versus Duke and Virginia

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2020/11/28/msu-basketball-michigan-state-notre-dame-three-quick-takes-couch-column/6443528002/

Wow. Some analysis there.

[Uncle Rico]

Wow. Some analysis there.

Graham Couch makes Jeff Potrykus blush

[The Big East]

Joey with another double double for MSU 
11 points and 10 boards . He did foul out though . Big win for MSU over Duke

[Hards Alumni]

Joey with another double double for MSU 
11 points and 10 boards . He did foul out though . Big win for MSU over Duke

Ah, so basically what he was doing when he was here.