COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[pacearrow02]

lol. Is this where we are really at, finding info on epoch times.

Sad, sad times indeed.

Any meaningful input on the work being done by the folks at Harvard, Tufts, etc or just saving the thoughtful hard hitting analysis for your opinions on Epoch Times.

[forgetful]

Any meaningful input on the work being done by the folks at Harvard, Tufts, etc or just saving the thoughtful hard hitting analysis for your opinions on Epoch Times.

Not peer reviewed.

No actual independent data, it is a retrospective analysis using medical records.

They have a massive laundry list of their own limitations that they acknowledge as limiting the take home message.

And the "Harvard" connection is an adjunct with the Boston VA healthcare system, who doesn't appear on any Harvard faculty lists. She has never affiliated herself with Harvard in a publication, and still doesn't here, besides including a Harvard email address (she is a Harvard alum).

Even the 5-min it took me to read it was a colossal waste of my time.

[Hards Alumni]

Why does it matter how many hospitalizations are associated to Covid, you serious Clark? #keepsciencing right Tower!

Mild cases vs severe cases, yes, why does it matter?  Pray tell.

[pacearrow02]

Mild cases vs severe cases, yes, why does it matter?  Pray tell.

Asymptomatic cases are getting looped in as well.  We've been talking about the stress hospitals are currently under with census, extra resources needed when treating a Covid positive, etc and there is now solid data showing that half of these patients should be at home sleeping it off like Tower did.

Hospitalization rate affects policy and ultimately these Covid positive who are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms are getting included in the IFR data as well when it had nothing to do with the death.  It matters for everything, especially for pediatric population as a lot of those guidelines/policy is still being put together.

[Galway Eagle]

Asymptomatic cases are getting looped in as well.  We've been talking about the stress hospitals are currently under with census, extra resources needed when treating a Covid positive, etc and there is now solid data showing that half of these patients should be at home sleeping it off like Tower did.

Hospitalization rate affects policy and ultimately these Covid positive who are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms are getting included in the IFR data as well when it had nothing to do with the death.  It matters for everything, especially for pediatric population as a lot of those guidelines/policy is still being put together.

Of course this is only true if you ignore that massive paragraph on limitations

[Pakuni]

You act like it was the staff of the Epoch times who did the retrospective studies.  By poo pooing this article it's not the Epoch times legitimacy your questioning it's the medical professionals at Tufts, Harvard Medical School, and the VA who did the work.  So let's take the messenger out of it.  Below is PDF to the study.  Thoughts on that?

https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-898254/v1/f2800895-4df3-4945-85ae-c1be66aaca23.pdf?c=1631889328

At the very top of the page:

"Preprints are preliminary reports that have not undergone peer review. They should not be considered conclusive, used to inform clinical practice or referenced by the media as validated information."

[Pakuni]

Of course this is only true if you ignore that massive paragraph on limitations

And that the vast majority of the data came from months before Delta was the predominant variant in the U.S.

[pacearrow02]

At the very top of the page:

"Preprints are preliminary reports that have not undergone peer review. They should not be considered conclusive, used to inform clinical practice or referenced by the media as validated information."

Absolutely, it was a follow up to the other peer reviewed studies out of California that I posted a day or so earlier showing the same thing.  Obviously peer reviewed is gold standard but with standard c19 testing for all patients going into the hospital it shouldn't be shocking that a lot of patients are getting caught up in that giant net of c19 positivity who are showing minima to no symptoms but are going in for a hip replacement, appendicitis, etc.

As more and more people get vaccinated if we don't start categorizing or explaining in better detail what these hospitalizations truly represent I think it will further feed the anti-vaccine movement. 

[Uncle Rico]

Absolutely, it was a follow up to the other peer reviewed studies out of California that I posted a day or so earlier showing the same thing.  Obviously peer reviewed is gold standard but with standard c19 testing for all patients going into the hospital it shouldn't be shocking that a lot of patients are getting caught up in that giant net of c19 positivity who are showing minima to no symptoms but are going in for a hip replacement, appendicitis, etc.

As more and more people get vaccinated if we don't start categorizing or explaining in better detail what these hospitalizations truly represent I think it will further feed the anti-vaccine movement.

Mhm

[Hards Alumni]

Asymptomatic cases are getting looped in as well.  We've been talking about the stress hospitals are currently under with census, extra resources needed when treating a Covid positive, etc and there is now solid data showing that half of these patients should be at home sleeping it off like Tower did.

Hospitalization rate affects policy and ultimately these Covid positive who are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms are getting included in the IFR data as well when it had nothing to do with the death.  It matters for everything, especially for pediatric population as a lot of those guidelines/policy is still being put together.

This isn't the smoking gun that you seem to think it is.

[pacearrow02]

This isn't the smoking gun that you seem to think it is.

Not sure I'm looking for a "smoking gun" but as the below study shows and what has become widely known is that even if you're double poked you can still get c19.  If we don't stop universally testing every hospitalized patient for c19 it's going to start painting vaccine efficacy (when it comes to preventing hospitalization at least) in a much more negative light then it should be. 

If this fall when we have a bunch of people getting elective surgeries who are vaccinated but still  testing positive (despite minor symptoms) without providing clarification to their symptoms it's going to make vaccine hesitant people feel more empowered/reluctant to get the shot imo.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e3.htm?s_cid=mm7038e3_x#suggestedcitation

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Please for the love of god stop responding to the obvious troll

[tower912]

The ignore button has been my friend for some time.

[Jockey]

Please for the love of god stop responding to the obvious troll

Some people need the attention 

[MU82]

nm

[Hards Alumni]

Not sure I'm looking for a "smoking gun" but as the below study shows and what has become widely known is that even if you're double poked you can still get c19.  If we don't stop universally testing every hospitalized patient for c19 it's going to start painting vaccine efficacy (when it comes to preventing hospitalization at least) in a much more negative light then it should be. 

If this fall when we have a bunch of people getting elective surgeries who are vaccinated but still  testing positive (despite minor symptoms) without providing clarification to their symptoms it's going to make vaccine hesitant people feel more empowered/reluctant to get the shot imo.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e3.htm?s_cid=mm7038e3_x#suggestedcitation

Okay dude.  Enjoy your mat.

[Galway Eagle]

**snip**

Not that I don't agree with everything you posted here but this is the coronavirus thread not general politics. This seems to be just general politics.

[MU82]

Not that I don't agree with everything you posted here but this is the coronavirus thread not general politics. This seems to be just general politics.

You're right. I'll hang up on the COVID-19 board and listen for the rest of the day. Have a good one, Galway.

[jesmu84]

I encourage all to listen to this podcast featuring Scott Gottlieb. They discuss early covid response and how to battle future pandemics

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/fmd-scott-gottlieb/

[MU82]

How Covid Misinformation Created a Run on Animal Medicine

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/technology/ivermectin-animal-medicine-shortage.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20210928&instance_id=41492&nl=dealbook&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=70086&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

For more than a year, misinformation that ivermectin is effective at treating or preventing the coronavirus has run rampant across social media, podcasts and talk radio. Even as the Food and Drug Administration has said the drug is not approved to cure Covid and has warned people against taking it, media personalities who have cast doubt on coronavirus vaccines, such as the podcaster Joe Rogan, have promoted ivermectin for that very purpose.

The inaccuracies have led to some people overdosing on certain formulations of the drug, which has then stretched doctors and hospitals. But at the very tail end of the misinformation trail are people, like veterinarians, who regularly use the medicine for the animal treatments that it was approved for.

Many vets have run out of the once-plentiful drug because humans are taking their supply.

[pbiflyer]

The unvaccinated have this to look forward to.

COVID may cause 'restless anal syndrome' - report

https://m.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/covid-may-cause-restless-anal-syndrome-report-680582

[Pakuni]

Totally normal.

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — A constant barrage of misinformation has Idaho health care workers facing increased animosity from some patients and community members, officials say. It's gotten so bad in northern Idaho that some Kootenai Health employees are scared to go to the grocery store if they haven't changed out of their scrubs, said hospital spokeswoman Caiti Bobbitt on Tuesday.

Some doctors and nurses at the Coeur d'Alene hospital have been accused of killing patients by grieving family members who don't believe COVID-19 is real, Bobbitt said. Others have been the subject of hurtful rumors spread by people angry about the pandemic.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-idaho-misinformation-ccef8a30babfa4a40c68d701a09e59f3

[Jockey]

Violent Anti-vaxxers are a republican thing.
I'm sorry if that offends some people here 

They go after health care workers, school board members, election officials, etc.

These are sick, sick people.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Sounds like we have a pill treatment now.  Amazing how fast the therapy/vaccines have moved. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/01/pill-to-treat-covid/

[tower912]

The COVID Karens:  There is only a pill because of ivermectin.

Or:  It was developed too fast.   I am going to keep swabbing my nose with Lysol.