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The Sultan

How would a ban on fur "fail?"

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 20, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
What becomes leather is coming from an animal that is also being killed for food (necessary fir sustenance). It's using the entire animal. Mink, foxes, chinchillas, nutria, they are killed only for their pelts and nothing more.

dust to dust...fertilizer
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Tortuga94

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 20, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
What becomes leather is coming from an animal that is also being killed for food (necessary fir sustenance). It's using the entire animal. Mink, foxes, chinchillas, nutria, they are killed only for their pelts and nothing more.

Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Tortuga94 on October 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.
This is a discussion about California laws; please keep facts and common sense out of it.   

real chili 83

Quote from: Tortuga94 on October 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.

Does this change opinions?

StillAWarrior

Next, they should ban green dresses.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

mu03eng

Quote from: Tortuga94 on October 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.

Didn't know that, interesting.


Generally speaking, I'd err on the side of letting people be free as opposed to restricting freedoms but to each their own as their representatives select. I will also say the intellectual inconsistency on both sides of the aisle when it comes to allowing or restricting freedoms continues to astound me.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

tower912

Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 21, 2019, 07:16:21 AM
Next, they should ban green dresses.
But not a real green dress, that's cruel....
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: tower912 on October 21, 2019, 11:36:04 AM
But not a real green dress, that's cruel....

Which is precisely why they should be banned.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Tortuga94 on October 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.

i worked on a mink ranch on weekends thru high school.  a lot of hard work, but so much more interesting and different than any other job i had.  i can attest to what turtle had to say.  fur is a renewable resource that it just so happens that some place a value on it
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 21, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
i worked on a mink ranch on weekends thru high school.  a lot of hard work, but so much more interesting and different than any other job i had.  i can attest to what turtle had to say. fur is a renewable resource that it just so happens that some place a value on it


To be honest, I never really thought of it in those terms.  Makes sense though.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: real chili 83 on October 21, 2019, 06:09:28 AM
Does this change opinions?

No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.

Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

The Sultan

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.


Are mink farms any more cruel than a typical chicken farm?  Dairy farm?  As long as they are run ethically, I don't see a problem.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

mu03eng

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.

Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.

Unnecessary to whom? You? By all means don't buy fur, but why should a fur coat be any different than any other farmed resource? Why should your lifestyle choices or preferences be forced on anyone else?
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

Pakuni

Quote from: mu03eng on October 21, 2019, 03:42:54 PM
Unnecessary to whom? You? By all means don't buy fur, but why should a fur coat be any different than any other farmed resource? Why should your lifestyle choices or preferences be forced on anyone else?

Not specific to mink/fur, but don't we do this all the time?
We kill about 35 million cows a year for food, but horse slaughter is outlawed. Because horses are better looking.

mu03eng

Quote from: Pakuni on October 21, 2019, 03:52:07 PM
Not specific to mink/fur, but don't we do this all the time?
We kill about 35 million cows a year for food, but horse slaughter is outlawed. Because horses are better looking.

Don't disagree. I'm all for slaughtering horses too if there's a use to it.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.

Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.

Proven dead wrong on your assertions but digging in anyway. America, 2019.

4everwarriors

Brazil also bans fur, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.

Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.



  might it be cruel to wear live mink all over town, eyn'a?
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Cheeks

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.

Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.

Italian cuisine....nice

:)
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buckchuckler

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
No. Clothing made of fur is still unnecessary and the result of cruelty to animals.

Besides, my cat's food is imported from Italy. No mink parts in there.

That's quite the carbon footprint for cat food.  No mice where you live bruh?

rocket surgeon

Quote from: buckchuckler on October 21, 2019, 07:40:42 PM
That's quite the carbon footprint for cat food.  No mice where you live bruh?

mice probably give the little feller gas
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

forgetful

Quote from: Tortuga94 on October 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
Some of my best friends are mink farmers, trust me they also use the whole animal. Mink carcasses are rendered and used in various different things including pet food. So if you have a cat or dog, you've probably been feeding them rendered byproducts from an animal that was harvested for its fur.

While some are rendered for meat meal, many are simply incinerated and disposed of. And unless you are buying the cheapest crappiest dog food possible then mink and other fur byproducts are not in your dog food.

buckchuckler

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 21, 2019, 07:21:12 PM
Brazil also bans fur, aina?

Didn't you already try that exact same joke in this same thread?

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: buckchuckler on October 21, 2019, 07:40:42 PM
That's quite the carbon footprint for cat food.  No mice where you live bruh?

She's purely an indoor cat.  My local pet store carries the Italian stuff and she loved it when we got a sample so we made the switch.  We used to get a brand out of Mequon but she tired of it and wasn't eating it. High maintenance cat!
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

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