The Next SLU

[The Lens]

Now it makes sense why Fr. Pilarz wanted us to be the next SLU:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18650745/saint-louis-billikens-bus-goes-missing-driver-arrested-dwi-charge

[muguru]

The last few years on the court has resembled SLU sadly enough.

[MerrittsMustache]

The last few years on the court has resembled SLU sadly enough.

Really?

SLU 2014-15: 11-21 (3-15 in A10)
SLU 2015-16: 11-21 (5-13 in A10) - fired coach
SLU 2016-17: 8-16 (3-8 in A10)

MU 2014-15: 13-19 (4-14 in BE)
MU 2015-16: 20-13 (8-10 in BE)
MU 2016-17: 15-9 (6-6 in BE)

[Lennys Tap]

Really?

SLU 2014-15: 11-21 (3-15 in A10)
SLU 2015-16: 11-21 (5-13 in A10) - fired coach
SLU 2016-17: 8-16 (3-8 in A10)

MU 2014-15: 13-19 (4-14 in BE)
MU 2015-16: 20-13 (8-10 in BE)
MU 2016-17: 15-9 (6-6 in BE)

We became SLU.

SLU became DePaul.

[#UnleashSean]

We became SLU.

SLU became DePaul.

Hes not wrong

[MerrittsMustache]

Prior to "becoming DePaul," SLU made the NCAAs 3 straight years as a 9-seed, 4-seed and 5-seed. I'd take that the next 3 seasons...as long as MU doesn't become DePaul in Year 4!

[Windyplayer]

This is the essence of a message board.

[Zephyr820]

SLU is currently 290th.  They finished last year at 225 and the year before at 289.

During that stretch, DePaul has seen 150,182, and 177.

Saint Louis is not remotely close to as good of a program as DePaul.  They have played in only eight NCAA Tournaments since 1952 and have NEVER played more than two games in any Tournament.  Frankly, no one is as good of a proxy as Detroit Mercy.  It is a terrible program.

[Silkk the Shaka]

This is the essence of a message board.

And message boards... are the essence of beauty

[MDMU04]

http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/real-bad-night-for-the-saint-louis-basketball-team-lose-to-st-bonaventure-bus-driver-gets-drunk-on-box-of-wine-and-leaves-them-at-the-arena/

This isn't something that would happen even to DePaul.

[Galway Eagle]

they bus from SLU to St Bonaventure? Even Depaul doesn't do that

[drewm88]

they bus from SLU to St Bonaventure? Even Depaul doesn't do that

You need a bus to get from airport to arena.

[4everwarriors]

Worst thin' happened ta da Billikens was Rick dyin', hey?

[Goose]

4ever

I would take the Rick SLU program right now. How about you?

[Windyplayer]

And message boards... are the essence of beauty

Let's not forget about wetness.

[Daniel]

Learn defense and we are a ranked team.  Maybe we get better at that next year....

[muguru]

Really?

SLU 2014-15: 11-21 (3-15 in A10)
SLU 2015-16: 11-21 (5-13 in A10) - fired coach
SLU 2016-17: 8-16 (3-8 in A10)

MU 2014-15: 13-19 (4-14 in BE)
MU 2015-16: 20-13 (8-10 in BE)
MU 2016-17: 15-9 (6-6 in BE)

And you find this acceptable?? This is flat out NOT acceptable for a program that has the tradition MU has. The point is, SLU is irrelevant in the National Basketball landscape, and sadly, MU has become irrelevant as well. At least in comparison to where they were 4 years ago.

[GGGG]

And you find this acceptable?? This is flat out NOT acceptable for a program that has the tradition MU has. The point is, SLU is irrelevant in the National Basketball landscape, and sadly, MU has become irrelevant as well. At least in comparison to where they were 4 years ago.

He neither said nor implied that he found it acceptable.

[4everwarriors]

4ever

I would take the Rick SLU program right now. How about you?

I'm still on da give Wojo more time wagon 'cuz of da chitstorm he inherited. Loved da HE signin', but witout da asst coach out der hustlin', not sure watt da hell talent level wood bee in dis program write now. Steve is seein' skills dat I just don't see. Subsequently, he's put tagether a squad wit like abilities and like deficiencies. One of da reasons dey r weak defensively is 'cuz ders no quickness as a team. Deyr slow to da ball and can't beet anyone off da dribble. Plus wee need some dudes wit attitude. Got a bunch of choir boys, and sopranos at dat.
I wish da younguns here could experience and understand watt we old cockers here mean when wee rap Warrior basketball. 'Cuz, day have no clue. Simply graspin' at straws and silver linin's, ai na?

[MU82]

And you find this acceptable?? This is flat out NOT acceptable for a program that has the tradition MU has. The point is, SLU is irrelevant in the National Basketball landscape, and sadly, MU has become irrelevant as well. At least in comparison to where they were 4 years ago.

Please point out where he said it was acceptable.

And nice to have you back, guru. We missed you when the team you purport to love was winning.

[muguru]

Please point out where he said it was acceptable.

And nice to have you back, guru. We missed you when the team you purport to love was winning.

I never said he implied he found it acceptable..I was asking him if he did, since he seemed to want to make the comparison that MU has not become SLU by using the last 3 years as criteria..simply put, MU and SLU BB should be on two different planets, and quite frankly right now, they aren't..both are basically irrelevant.

I'm around when they lose, which is more often then they should be for my tastes, especially at home. It's tiring.

[Goose]

Doc

I have not given up on Wojo either. That said, it is very frustrating because I do not see a bright light at the end of the tunnel. His getting HE was extremely big and that gives some hope for the future. I agree that we do not have any toughness at this point. I know you tired of Buzz, but his teams brought toughness and attitude every game. I remember after the WVU you and I posting on here how MU had become the program of inner city Milwaukee.
It is funny, but most on here were happy we lost McKay and Burton and I think both were big losses for the program. We need a couple of Burton's on the squad badly. I am very happy to see hi performing well at ISU and I am not surprised one bit.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And you find this acceptable?? This is flat out NOT acceptable for a program that has the tradition MU has. The point is, SLU is irrelevant in the National Basketball landscape, and sadly, MU has become irrelevant as well. At least in comparison to where they were 4 years ago.

The last two seasons I consider acceptable. We're a good program but not so good that we are guaranteed a big every year. The first year I don't but I blame that on the coaching change. Not much to be done.

Y'all really don't understand how irrelevant saint Louis is. We're nowhere near them and were trending up.

[MU82]

I'm around when they lose, which is more often then they should be for my tastes, especially at home. It's tiring.

I bet it's tiring for you to be such a sad individual who cannot celebrate beating Villanova or Creighton but has no problem piling on after tough losses.

Happy, well-adjusted people stop and smell the roses. I worry about folks who can only stop and smell the horsepoop.

[MerrittsMustache]

And you find this acceptable?? This is flat out NOT acceptable for a program that has the tradition MU has. The point is, SLU is irrelevant in the National Basketball landscape, and sadly, MU has become irrelevant as well. At least in comparison to where they were 4 years ago.

First of all, you're overstating Marquette's basketball tradition. MU had a great 3-year run in the tourney under Buzz but aside from that run, the '03 FF and the '94 E8, MU hasn't exactly been a national power. The height of MU's tradition happened nearly 40 years ago. Since Hank Raymonds' last season in 1982-83, MU has missed the NCAAT 19 times and made it 14 times. Let's not act like we're used to consistently hanging National Championship banners. (insert Great Alaska Shootout banner joke here)

Also, MU is NOT irrelevant. If MU finishes in the top half of the BE and makes the NCAAT, that's a very good season for Year 3 of what has basically been a tear-down/rebuild of the roster. Sure, I want MU to be a perennial national title contender but that's not reasonable at this point.

I never said he implied he found it acceptable..I was asking him if he did, since he seemed to want to make the comparison that MU has not become SLU by using the last 3 years as criteria..simply put, MU and SLU BB should be on two different planets, and quite frankly right now, they aren't..both are basically irrelevant.

SLU has been on the decline for the last 3 seasons while Marquette is a program on the rise.

Buzz was able to put together some patchwork teams of transfers and JUCOs and he had an outstanding run at MU but eventually that philosophy caught up with him and the cupboard was left bare. Wojo is attempting to build a program by developing 4-year players. Sure, he's going to take in a grad transfer as a stopgap but for the most part, he's bringing in freshmen.

Buzz's style was more like the Tribune-owned Cubs where they'd patch things together and hope to make a run, which they did a few times. Wojo's style is more like the Theo-run Cubs where he wants to build the team from the ground up. That takes time and patience and is incredibly frustrating at times...but the payoff can be sweet!