The most telling part about tonight.

[MUfan12]

It is not just point guard....we have NO athletes who can play basketball in the Big East.

Let's not go nuts. This team has major flaws, but is one recruiting class into a rebuild. There's potential there, it's just taking time. And all of our patience is running thin after the last two years.

Now don't get me wrong... I'd love a badass JUCO to help in the frontcourt. And a guy like that is what they need to do anything next season.

[MU86NC]

H E is not a pro player!!!

[PistolPete]

H E is not a pro player!!!

I presume this was intended to be teal?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It is not just point guard....we have NO athletes who can play basketball in the Big East. We are slow, weak and cannot shoot. Put Jason Kidd on his prime on this team and it would still stink. To think they will be better next year is foolish.

Exactly, ecompt. Somehow, attrition will lead to improvement?! This team is badly in need of Buzz-type recruits. 

They are freshmen. FRESHMEN. Having half your scholarship players be freshmen is terrible for immediate production but great for future growth. This team will be much improved next season. As some famous guy said, "The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores." I seem to recall that guy being a pretty good coach.

[WarriorPride68]

They are freshmen. FRESHMEN. Having half your scholarship players be freshmen is terrible for immediate production but great for future growth. This team will be much improved next season. As some famous guy said, "The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores." I seem to recall that guy being a pretty good coach.

Only problem...the star freshman will be gone & making millions of dollars

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Only problem...the star freshman will be gone & making millions of dollars

Even if Henry leaves, this team will be better. Especially if it opens the door for grad transfer PF

[ATWizJr]

Because Providence had one of their worst shooting nights of their season.

according to kenpom, pc not the top 25 team you think it is, so not that great a win really.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I expected NIT this year, sorry that so many of you were buying into hype

I also expected this even though I always hope for more.  If you project last nights performance on the rest of the season, I think we are lucky to get an invite.  Let's hope they bounce back sat.

[MUEng92]

I went into this season without thinking about the end of the year for once. I just thought this team would be fun to watch.  This is not fun to watch.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I expected NIT this year, sorry that so many of you were buying into hype that wasn't really there and on a player in particular who is really good, but not messiahonic.  Still comes to down to how good is your point guard and we haven't had good point guard play in the last 2.5 years.....look at the results.  Pretty simple formula.

I expect us to be a NCAA tournament team next year and back on our way, assuming a PG is procured and or one develops from this year's team.  People just don't have patience anymore, but that's the way it is.

Chicos and I are on the same page.  Must be a result of being students during the Dukiet years.

[bilsu]

H E is not a pro player!!!

I was thinking last night that the longer Wojo coaches him the less chance he has to be a pro.
Is that a realistic statement? No, but that was what I was feeling last night.

[NickelDimer]

This is as detached from this team as I've felt since the Dean years. Not only are we not good, but I just don't appreciate this "brand" of basketball. I hate to be hard on the kids but Wojo's roster makeup leaves a lot to be desired and it has yet to resemble all I love about the traditional Warrior brand of basketball.  I miss Buzz. I miss toughness, grit and all the cliche'd bullshiit we've loved for years about our squad.

[LloydsLegs]

LOL.  You are a young one if you think this is rock bottom.  Try going to MU during the late 1980's.

Yes- mid 80's watching the program slowly devolve, and then the late 80's--rock bottom

[jsglow]

In answering the original topic, the place was empty last night.  Literally felt like a DePaul home game at Allstate arena.  And it's going to go markedly down from here.  Wojo can make as many youtube videos as he wants.  Only consistent winning will put student and alumni butts back in the seats.

[mu03eng]

They are freshmen. FRESHMEN. Having half your scholarship players be freshmen is terrible for immediate production but great for future growth. This team will be much improved next season. As some famous guy said, "The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores." I seem to recall that guy being a pretty good coach.

Only problem I'm having with jumping on the optimism train, look at how last years freshmen are playing this year. Duane and Sandy have both regressed in season.

I get that Buzz left the cupboard bare and I get that it's a rebuilding project, however both last year and this year, Wojo's teams have regressed in season. They are demonstrably better at the beginning of the season then they are at the end and this year we haven't had an injury bug like last year. It is cause for significant concern

I can't believe I'm saying it, but we're now back in the "Are we sure Wojo can coach" phase of MU review and it sucks.

Additionally, the team took a gamble with this schedule hoping that feasting on cupcakes would prepare them for Big East. It clearly hasn't so the team isn't great AND the STH are pissed about paying good money for a bad product(competition level).

I hope no more than 6 people show up against Stetson.   

[tower912]

I have been misquoting (misremembering?) myself as to season expectations.   In September, I predicted 14 wins.   So clearly, I had low expectations.   I am disappointed but not surprised.    No size, no experience, on the floor or on the sidelines...... a complete growing process.    Sadly, we cannot skip steps. 

[mu03eng]

In answering the original topic, the place was empty last night.  Literally felt like a DePaul home game at Allstate arena.  And it's going to go markedly down from here.  Wojo can make as many youtube videos as he wants.  Only consistent winning will put student and alumni butts back in the seats.

I don't totally agree. The place was relatively dead most of the night, but the students specifically and the fans generally did get fired up around the 8 minute mark of the 2nd half on and I thought made the BC a tough place to play again for a couple of minutes. Then the last two minutes of the game with turnovers on 4 of 6 possessions(and one of the non-TOs resulted in 2 missed FTs) sucked all the oxygen out of the place.

I do agree that Wojo has to start putting a winning product on the floor to restore faith....people aren't buying the marketing schtick right now.

[MU82]

They are freshmen. FRESHMEN. Having half your scholarship players be freshmen is terrible for immediate production but great for future growth. This team will be much improved next season. As some famous guy said, "The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores." I seem to recall that guy being a pretty good coach.

Oh stop it, TAMU, will ya.

There will be no common sense, no reason and no patience here.

[WarriorPride68]

Oh stop it, TAMU, will ya.

There will be no common sense, no reason and no patience here.

Holy sh!t, MU82. Putting out fires left & right.

Your acting surprised that the fan base is upset? This is a message board. What did you expect after that crap

[MU82]

Holy sh!t, MU82. Putting out fires left & right.

Your acting surprised that the fan base is upset? This is a message board. What did you expect after that crap

We're doomed.

[NickelDimer]

I have been misquoting (misremembering?) myself as to season expectations.   In September, I predicted 14 wins.   So clearly, I had low expectations.   I am disappointed but not surprised.    No size, no experience, on the floor or on the sidelines...... a complete growing process.    Sadly, we cannot skip steps.

The thing about growing processes is that you expect to see growth...are we sure we're in the midst of growth?

[tower912]

Right now, we are seeing a young team and a young coach learning what it is to play in the Big East.    Our bigs are thin, have slow feet, and don't elevate.    And other than the slow non-jumpers, we are undersized and skinny at every position.   So, they are learning what they are going to need to do in the offseason from a physical/skill development perspective.    Theoretically, the coaching staff is learning what they are going to have to do from a recruiting (hint, more athletes, particularly widebodies and big switchables, please), teaching, and game prep standpoint.   Perhaps Wojo is realizing he needs to shuffle his staff.    If they are FAILING to learn, then they have failed. 

[NickelDimer]

Right now, we are seeing a young team and a young coach learning what it is to play in the Big East.    Our bigs are thin, have slow feet, and don't elevate.    And other than the slow non-jumpers, we are undersized and skinny at every position.   So, they are learning what they are going to need to do in the offseason from a physical/skill development perspective.    Theoretically, the coaching staff is learning what they are going to have to do from a recruiting (hint, more athletes, particularly widebodies and big switchables, please), teaching, and game prep standpoint.   Perhaps Wojo is realizing he needs to shuffle his staff.    If they are FAILING to learn, then they have failed.

I'll be honest from one game to the next, going back to last year, I'm not sure I see anyone learning anything.

[mu-rara]

Exactly.  The interest in the program is at Deane levels...at best.

C'mon Man.

[tower912]

I'll be honest from one game to the next, going back to last year, I'm not sure I see anyone learning anything.

I disagree.    JJ and Duane played overall solid games.  (Duane's grandmother died last week and I am willing to chalk X up to that)  Heldt is making real progress.   Cohen has shown flashes of really good play, but is struggling the last couple of weeks.   It looks to me like the freshmen who have played big minutes are hitting a freshmen wall.    It looks to me like Wojo is fighting the fight that Buzz fought his last year in not knowing what he was going get on a given night from most of his team.    And finally, the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores.   And the best thing about young coaches is that they (hopefully) learn what they don't know and become better coaches.