Recruiting as of 9/15/24

[jesmu84]

Well, they consistently get kids rated higher than MU does, plus look at last years team..LOADED with incredibly talented transfers. There are so many ways to build a national championship contender.

So you're now shifting your argument. Got it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Wojo has probably elevated the program more rungs up the ladder thab buzz did.  Buzz inherited a top 25 team that had been to 3 ncaas in a row and had 4 returning starting seniors.  He elevated the program to a second weekend level. 
Wojo inherited a non nit team with basically no talent

You still on crack? Love Wojo but still waiting for Buzz results. 

[We R Final Four]

Hear me out on this one cuz it might sound crazy, but maybe he just doesn't want to come to MU

Maybe—but he did say he wanted to play with Joey and was actively recruiting him to UW.

[TedBaxter]

I saw someone post earlier about KO being ahead of Wojo at this stage.  Well, KO had Curry as a transfer and had the class of Key, Logterman and McIlvaine and went to the Sweet 16 in his 4th year.  Wojo may not make the Sweet 16 this year, but in his 5th and 6th years he will have the program poised for a Sweet 16, Elite 8 or even higher.

Other than Henry and a couple grad transfers, Wojo is building this with 4 year players and he'll see the results in the next couple years.

[TinyTimsLittleBrother]

I saw someone post earlier about KO being ahead of Wojo at this stage.  Well, KO had Curry as a transfer and had the class of Key, Logterman and McIlvaine and went to the Sweet 16 in his 4th year.  Wojo may not make the Sweet 16 this year, but in his 5th and 6th years he will have the program poised for a Sweet 16, Elite 8 or even higher.

Other than Henry and a couple grad transfers, Wojo is building this with 4 year players and he'll see the results in the next couple years.

KO also had Tony Smith his first year who pretty much single-handedly pulled them into the NIT.

[CTWarrior]

Buzz didn't have us on the cusp.of Elite.

Elite is multiple national championships and lots of final 4s......Buzz had us going to,the tournament 5 of 6?years and Winning games.....sweet 16, sweet 16 elite 8 is a great run but far from what the elites do.


Enjoy the friggin season and forget about trying to label the program. We are going in the right direction and have lots of players who are fun to watch and root for. It takes decades to get there and hardly anyone breaks into the club. Wisconsin had been to 19 straight tournaments....made back to back final 4s.....nobody thinks they are elite except for a few of their crazy posters.

Buzz had us at a steady top 20 level for maybe 3-4 years, but I think he would have had a tough time keeping it going.  You can only hit so many JC and transfer home runs, and his high school recruiting was not good enough to keep us at that level.  I think he and his staff did a good job of coachin' 'em up, though.

I think whatever success level Wojo attains, he'll be in a better place to sustain it.  It's just a question of what that level will be.  Jury's still out, but we are making steady (if not super-speedy) progress.

[Dawson Rental]

Oh I don't dispute this at all, they are on an upward trajectory(I think). And I love the addition of Morrow and said as much at the time. But here's the problem as i see it...the talent still needs to be upgraded to TRULY become an elite program again. Honestly, I don't feel as though programs are considered elite(by most), unless you have sustained runs of Sweet 16's or deeper, are legit national champs in any given year, are ranked in the top 10 consistently etc. Look at Gonzaga, and what they have done..their consistent tourney appearances, sweet 16's, elite 8's, a FF and playing for a National Championship..There is ZERO reason MU can't become a better version of Gonzaga, is there?? I like what Wojo has done recruiting wise so far, but I think even he knows, the program will not truly break through until you start landing guys like Grimes, which then creates a domino effect.

But Gonazaga doesn't get the type of recruits that you say MU has to get to be like Gonzaga, so....

[Goose]

Ted

KO got the recruiting class and Curry as a transfer. He took nothing and made it into something. Watching the '94 game the other night was an eye opener. He built a program in short order.

[CheesyMUfan4ever]

Where is MU right now? 20 minute drive to Whitnall is not to much to ask to avoid being mediocre for the next four years.  Coach Cal put on a big show yesterday that's how Kentucky does it. The show may have been more important to Herro group then the actual offer. MU can swoop in and get this done. Very disappointing at the lack of effort here.

[DJO's Jaw]

Where is MU right now? 20 minute drive to Whitnall is not to much to ask to avoid being mediocre for the next four years.  Coach Cal put on a big show yesterday that's how Kentucky does it. The show may have been more important to Herro group then the actual offer. MU can swoop in and get this done. Very disappointing at the lack of effort here.

[TedBaxter]

Ted

KO got the recruiting class and Curry as a transfer. He took nothing and made it into something. Watching the '94 game the other night was an eye opener. He built a program in short order.

I'm not going to take anything away from KO.  At that point of his life he couldn't see himself beyond 4-5 years at MU. 

I'm excited about MU's future.

[79Warrior]

Where is MU right now? 20 minute drive to Whitnall is not to much to ask to avoid being mediocre for the next four years.  Coach Cal put on a big show yesterday that's how Kentucky does it. The show may have been more important to Herro group then the actual offer. MU can swoop in and get this done. Very disappointing at the lack of effort here.

Pretty obvious MU does not want him for whatever reason. Move on.

[CheesyMUfan4ever]

Pretty obvious MU does not want him for whatever reason. Move on.

I agree,  you are right they don't want him I just can't figure out the logic why. His scoring skill set is incredible, a guy like Wojo could teach him the intangibles and make him great.

[DCHoopster]

Pretty obvious MU does not want him for whatever reason. Move on.

MU wants to run a clean program,  there is some dirty laundry on this trail.

[tower912]

I agree,  you are right they don't want him I just can't figure out the logic why. His scoring skill set is incredible, a guy like Wojo could teach him the intangibles and make him great.

Take it up with Wojo.  Let us know what he says.

[jsglow]

MU wants to run a clean program,  there is some dirty laundry on this trail.

I'm not prepared to say that.  But it is pretty clear MU isn't interested.

Grimes is a special case.  After that we're done until such time as a scholly opens in my view.

[PGsHeroes32]

I agree,  you are right they don't want him I just can't figure out the logic why. His scoring skill set is incredible, a guy like Wojo could teach him the intangibles and make him great.

He's really really bad

Might be the worst top 100 player of all time

[PistolBrad]

Looking at the wording of Herro's decomitment letter he seems pretty set in playing out of state.  I'm sure Wojo shot him a text asking if he was still interested in MU.  If he said no as expected why waste time recruiting a kid who told you he's not interested.  Waste of time and makes Grimes think you are non-comittal.

[MomofMUltiples]

Where is MU right now? 20 minute drive to Whitnall is not to much to ask to avoid being mediocre for the next four years. 

If he's as transcendent as you say, Cheesy, he wouldn't be here for four years.

[Goose]

I wonder what the back story on Herro really is. Seems strange not to chase after a local kid, but there has to be something keeping Wojo away.

[MU82]

I'm not going to take anything away from KO.  At that point of his life he couldn't see himself beyond 4-5 years at MU. 

I'm excited about MU's future.

This topic has been argued in many other threads over the last couple of years. There is no way to "prove" anybody is right. I happen to think Wojo had a more difficult situation, but Goose is convinced it's the other way around - that MU basketball was "saved" by KO.

One thing few will debate is that KO was the ultimate short-timer. He was using MU expressly as a stepping stone to his definition of the "big time." No crime in that. MU certainly had fallen out of the big time by then. Coaches, like many of us, have aspirations. Maybe Wojo feels the same - that he's here with one eye on the door out, but I don't get that sense.

All in all, it's a dopey thing to argue about ... but that's what the interwebs are for!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled "Recruiting" thread ...

[TommyMU]

Why wouldn't Herro immediately say where do I sign??

Because he wants to play.  He won't play at Kentucky but he would at MU. 

[Goose]

MU82

Thanks for redirecting the conversation to recruiting. You have anything to add?

[The Lens]

Buzz went to the Elite 8 without a single juco on the roster.

[NYWarrior]

KO also had Tony Smith his first year who pretty much single-handedly pulled them into the NIT.

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KO also had Tony Smith his first year who pretty much single-handedly pulled them into the NIT.