Recruiting as of 9/15/24

[MU82]

Nothing program = a national championship game appearance and an Elite 8 sandwiched around a tournament appearance in the three years previous to K being hired.

Just saying.

What? You're gonna try facts here? Facts?

Come on, man. Facts will get you nowhere!

[Dawson Rental]

Nothing program = a national championship game appearance and an Elite 8 sandwiched around a tournament appearance in the three years previous to K being hired.

Just saying.

Facts - they're so inconvenient.

[tower912]

I have always been baffled by MU fans seemingly just accepting it being a nice program that will have runs of success once in awhile, and thats simply okay for most of you. Thats such small time thinking. MU can be a top 20 program every year..but many of you don't seem to think that or even care if they are.
Wisconsin has done it...and they had ALOT further to go to get where they are than MU had..hell, MU was heading that way just 5 years ago. Look what Xavier has done..there is ZERO reason MU cant do that..especially with all the resources MU spends on BB. Villanova is another good comparison..those are schools without FBS football programs..comparable to MU in many ways and look what they have done.
So tell me..why can schools like that be at those levels..but so many MU fans seemingly accept that MU isnt and would be okay with it if they never were.

http://ncaa-basketball-teams.pointafter.com/stories/8716/best-ncaa-basketball-programs-since-2000?utm_medium=cm&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=a

This despite the last 3 seasons.     I've never understood fans who can't look at the big picture, who need everything instantly, and don't recognize a rebuild when they see it.    Shows a character weakness.   
     Buzz's last couple of classes weren't great.   Then he left, and his incoming players left.    And some of his leftovers left.    And suddenly you have a team with 8 scholarship players, Juan Anderson as your back-up center, a sophomore SG who gets DNP-CDs leaving 7 players, injuries.     Ugly.
   Wojo's first recruit class was a top 10 class.    Not a transcendent championship winning class all by themselves, but a building block.     Last year's team won 20 games.    Wojo has started to address the size/athleticism issue.    Give it time.    Be patient.    Embrace some of the Jesuit ideals that you theoretically learned in your time at MU. 
   

[jsglow]

Mug, that's enough.  Start your own thread. Okay guys,  help me with that updated list.   

[muguru]

BC touched on it earlier...but it's a great point and something I have been wondering for awhile...it seems as though Wojo hasn't even touched recruiting in Chicago since he's been here...I'm curious as to if anyone has some thoughts as to why?? I know it's a cesspool, but other schools go in there all the time. he must have contacts there, Duke went into Chicago often. This one is perplexing to me.

[Jay Bee]

BC touched on it earlier...but it's a great point and something I have been wondering for awhile...it seems as though Wojo hasn't even touched recruiting in Chicago since he's been here...I'm curious as to if anyone has some thoughts as to why??

My thought is what seems to be true to you just isn't accurate. We've been in Chicago, just not a lot of good matches. But, AYO, keep your eyes out to from north to south to west to EASTERN parts of Chicagoland and surely you'll see "we haven't even touched" Chicago isn't quite right, a'iinna?

[Jay Bee]

Jermaine Samuels has committed to Villanova so he is off the board.

I think the main targets at this point are Cain, X Tillman, French, Nwora, and Epperson.

I'd add Levi Stockard to this list

[GGGG]

The big difference though Mark is Duke was a nothing program when coach k took over.

The year before he took over, they were in the Elite 8.

Three years before he took over, they lost the national championship game to Kentucky.

[GGGG]

I have always been baffled by MU fans seemingly just accepting it being a nice program that will have runs of success once in awhile, and thats simply okay for most of you. Thats such small time thinking. MU can be a top 20 program every year..but many of you don't seem to think that or even care if they are.
Wisconsin has done it...and they had ALOT further to go to get where they are than MU had..hell, MU was heading that way just 5 years ago. Look what Xavier has done..there is ZERO reason MU cant do that..especially with all the resources MU spends on BB. Villanova is another good comparison..those are schools without FBS football programs..comparable to MU in many ways and look what they have done.
So tell me..why can schools like that be at those levels..but so many MU fans seemingly accept that MU isnt and would be okay with it if they never were.

So what do you want us to do?  Rant and rave with illogical and inconsistent thoughts on a message board?  Will that make Marquette better?

[4everwarriors]

" Let's try to firm up"

Any y'all got a problem wit dis, hey?

[real chili 83]

" Let's try to firm up"

Any y'all got a problem wit dis, hey?

According to Chick, we don't.

[Dawson Rental]

I'd add Levi Stockard to this list

Looks like a guy who must have performed above expectations on this summers AAU circuit.  Was only dealing with mid-majors, then according to a guy in St Louis, Wojo offered him June 8th.  Xavier had him in for an official last weekend, and is reported to have offerred, as well, so Wojo isn't alone.

A 6'8" 250lb guy who I'd guess would be a 4/5.  Since he hasn't scheduled a visit yet (as far as I know anyway), I'd also guess he's a backup plan if both Tillman and French fall through.  He's from a rough area of St Louis, but he's transferred to Ladue HS outside the city, a very wealthy school district for this season.

Looks like he's also picked up an offer from Cincinnati.

[jsglow]

Okay, the first iteration of the 9/15 update is in.  Does that look about right to you boys?  Anything further?  Do we even have Bruno's phone number anymore?

And somebody please check my math on '18-'19.  I tweaked the available scholarships based on Bailey.  That's correct, right?  (Again, I'm using 'verbal commitment' as good enough pending any further developments.)

[Jay Bee]

A 6'8" 250lb guy who I'd guess would be a 4/5.  Since he hasn't scheduled a visit yet (as far as I know anyway)

 

[jsglow]

Let's talk about this Stockard kid a little bit as Jay Bee seems to know something here.  As mentioned, possibly a Plan B recruit behind both Tillman and French.  I totally get that Wojo really wants to add another 'side of beef' and I'm not in any way disparaging the young man but there must be a calculus where Wojo moves off the additional PF option and moves toward an alternative position like a guard or wing.  I suppose I'm wondering where that line might be?  Jay Bee, what do you know about this kid?  He's new to me.

Discuss.

[GGGG]

Let's talk about this Stockard kid a little bit as Jay Bee seems to know something here.  As mentioned, possibly a Plan B recruit behind both Tillman and French.  I totally get that Wojo really wants to add another 'side of beef' and I'm not in any way disparaging the young man but there must be a calculus where Wojo moves off the additional PF option and moves toward an alternative position like a guard or wing.  I suppose I'm wondering where that line might be?  Jay Bee, what do you know about this kid?  He's new to me.

Discuss.

He very well could be simply hedging his bets.  Perhaps he thought French was closer to a commit when he came to campus than he turned out to be.  (Or conversely, perhaps something about the visit turned Wojo off.)  Maybe he knows Tillman is going to be difficult to get.

[jsglow]

He very well could be simply hedging his bets.  Perhaps he thought French was closer to a commit when he came to campus than he turned out to be.  (Or conversely, perhaps something about the visit turned Wojo off.)  Maybe he knows Tillman is going to be difficult to get.

I get that Sultan.  I suppose what I'm asking is two things:

1) How good do the experts think Stockard is and,

2) Is he good enough to displace a potential recruit at another position who might fit the bill as 'best available' athlete?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

The big difference though Mark is Duke was a nothing program when coach k took over. There was nowhere to go but up..that wasnt the case with MU..they had been to 7 straight NCAAs..had two sweet 16's and an Elite 8 during that span..and for all intents and purposes..were poised to reach heights that the program hadn't seen since Al's years..the fall since then has been nothing less than mind blowing..have their been extenuating circumstances? Sure..but how many programs go from where MU was to where they are now in such a short period of time. I mean its been so bad they havent even made the NIT. How do you explain that?

I mean once you have gotten where MU was..after that it should be just a matter of sustaining that level with perhaps slight dropoffs(ie just squeaking in to the NCAAs), from time to time. It should never happen where you fall so far so fast(regardless of circumstances) that 20 wins is suddenly an accomplishment. That was a big deal back in the Mike Deane days..but that should NEVER be the case now after where MU has been recently. Especially when you consider MU spends top dollar on their program.

I know it's beating a dead horse but losing out on Shaka was a blow bigger than many realize i think. I cant help but think and be confident that if Shaka were here..that team would have been in the NCAAs last year.

I really do think after having Shaka and then losing him..it really shook the admin to the core. Almost as if they then just accepted their lot in life and just kind of "gave up" on striving to make this program elite and instead decided to now just be content with fleeting good success every once in awhile.

You are absurdly overrating the talent that remained in the program when Buzz left.

[Silkk the Shaka]

http://ncaa-basketball-teams.pointafter.com/stories/8716/best-ncaa-basketball-programs-since-2000?utm_medium=cm&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=a

This despite the last 3 seasons.     I've never understood fans who can't look at the big picture, who need everything instantly, and don't recognize a rebuild when they see it.    Shows a character weakness.   
     Buzz's last couple of classes weren't great.   Then he left, and his incoming players left.    And some of his leftovers left.    And suddenly you have a team with 8 scholarship players, Juan Anderson as your back-up center, a sophomore SG who gets DNP-CDs leaving 7 players, injuries.     Ugly.
   Wojo's first recruit class was a top 10 class.    Not a transcendent championship winning class all by themselves, but a building block.     Last year's team won 20 games.    Wojo has started to address the size/athleticism issue.    Give it time.    Be patient.    Embrace some of the Jesuit ideals that you theoretically learned in your time at MU. 

This right here. I was sad when Buzz left, frustrated with the admin. The last couple years were not easy either. Buzz took us on a wild ride that was a ton of fun. But he also got lucky with some unheralded recruits (Davante, Jimmy, DJO, etc.) and didn't leave a great roster behind. The worst appears to be behind us, and I like how Wojo is stacking his chips as his recruiting classes are playing out. JJJ has shown great improvement, and last year's frosh showed promise. We have some excellent guards and he's adding a bunch of bangers to the mix. I like where we're headed.

[GGGG]

This right here. I was sad when Buzz left, frustrated with the admin. The last couple years were not easy either. Buzz took us on a wild ride that was a ton of fun. But he also got lucky with some unheralded recruits (Davante, Jimmy, DJO, etc.) and didn't leave a great roster behind. The worst appears to be behind us, and I like how Wojo is stacking his chips as his recruiting classes are playing out. JJJ has shown great improvement, and last year's frosh showed promise. We have some excellent guards and he's adding a bunch of bangers to the mix. I like where we're headed.

And how much better would Wojo's first season had been had Buzz not left?

Sure we would have retained recruits like Shayok and Hill, and transfers like Dawson and Deonte may not have happened, but there still would have a team whose talent and experience didn't match up well.  And you don't have Carlino.

That team would have been hard pressed to make the post season much less the NCAAs.  I think that was one of the reasons Buzz jumped.  Otherwise he would have been shut out of the post season two years in a row.

[TedBaxter]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/recruiting/tilmon-debates-shoulder-surgery-goodwin-stacks-up-the-offers/article_dceade32-1188-11e6-8e3c-1f0e7ae7a318.html

Info on Stockard.  Played for a state champion Vashon team after transferring from Madison Prep, a St. Louis Public School that was closed.  He followed Madison Prep coach Tony Irons to Vashon where Tony Irons father Floyd had won 10 state championships.  I'm going to guess that the Irons' are very familiar with Chris Carrawell.

[muwarrior69]

Let's hope our 3 star recruits are better than our 4 stars have been over the last few seasons.

[wadesworld]

Let's hope our 3 star recruits are better than our 4 stars have been over the last few seasons.

You don't like Cheatham, Luke, or JJJ?  Personally, I think those are our 3 best players.

[🏀]

You don't like Cheatham, Luke, or JJJ?  Personally, I think those are our 3 best players.

Could be Sandy, Burton,STJr, Duane...

[Earl Tatum]

With John in the fold, one down 3 to go. Also,  Wished for Tillman, French and Cain. I hope Wojo
proves me wrong, as I said, he can't recruit, need more. I want to wear my Wojo Warrior t-shirt.
Don't care how many schollies we have left. How are we on Epperson and did we ever go after
Jalen Smith of Baltimore? Lots of Questions. Give me a lowdown.