Recruiting as of 12/15/24

[Jay Bee]

Some don't consider it "labor." It's love of the game!

Now shut up and dribble and entertain me. Oh, and win or I'll boo you.

Word 2 LL J Cool

[Viper]

So when Lens asked:

The answer was yes. The free market has determined that Kon (to use your example) is worth a free ride to Duke AND whatever he's going to make in NIL money. What socialist nonsense are you championing that you want to limit individuals from legally making money in exchange for their labor?

socialist nonsense? Coming from you? I'm just tossing out something for the sake of conversation, TAMU. As I said, I'm all for the cash. I think you are saying, take the ride AND all you can make. I'm saying take the ride AND all you can make...and since this is college not pro sports, maybe there can be a calculator where in certain profit cases, that scholly $ could be re-paid. I made $, AND paid my way. All good. My choice. Free market. Hardly socialism. btw, I never said 'limit'. That's your word.
Gotta run. Have a web call with Roger Penske, Jerry Jones and Elon Musk. Should be good.out

[Herman Cain]

Kon is the third Elite Shooter that has committed to Duke this year. All roughly same size

https://247sports.com/college/duke/season/2024-basketball/commits/

So Duke Fan Base is willing to write the checks for triple redundancy from the 3 point line.

Stan Johnson said ,in one of Mr. Dodd's off season interviews,  for schools like MU the secret sauce is talent evaluation. MU needs to keep finding the diamonds in the rough type prospects and coach them up.

MU has done its part and paid for the Coach, Facilities and Recruiting Budget. Now we have to hope the MU fan base can come up with enough coin to keep those developed prospects the way Shaka has  this year with the likes of TKO, Kam and Oso. All three of which have developed some elite college level skill sets.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

socialist nonsense? Coming from you? I'm just tossing out something for the sake of conversation, TAMU. As I said, I'm all for the cash. I think you are saying, take the ride AND all you can make. I'm saying take the ride AND all you can make...and since this is college not pro sports, maybe there can be a calculator where in certain profit cases, that scholly $ could be re-paid. I made $, AND paid my way. All good. My choice. Free market. Hardly socialism. btw, I never said 'limit'. That's your word.

You aren't saying "limit." But you are most certainly implying it.

You even said earlier that you are not for NIL. Well, isn't that limiting one's earnings?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

socialist nonsense? Coming from you? I'm just tossing out something for the sake of conversation, TAMU. As I said, I'm all for the cash. I think you are saying, take the ride AND all you can make. I'm saying take the ride AND all you can make...and since this is college not pro sports, maybe there can be a calculator where in certain profit cases, that scholly $ could be re-paid. I made $, AND paid my way. All good. My choice. Free market. Hardly socialism. btw, I never said 'limit'. That's your word.
Gotta run. Have a web call with Roger Penske, Jerry Jones and Elon Musk. Should be good.out

So to recap you want to take some of what the free market has determined that Kon is worth (full ride to Duke and NIL money) and you want to put a limit...I'm sorry...use a "calculator" to determine how much of that Kon should be forced to pay back to Duke because reasons? You just described a situation where someone is being forced to give up some of their income to a governing body simply because a limit...I mean "calculator" decided they are making too much money. A governing body deciding you make too much money and should be forced to pay that back? Sounds like socialist nonsense to me!

And to be clear, it's perfectly fine if you feel that way. I think there are situations where limits should be placed on profit for sake of the common good (worker safety, environmental regulations, not selling cigarettes to 5 year olds, etc.). I just fail to see what common good limiting the income of college athletes serves to justify putting a limit on their income.

[bilsu]

NIL and free transfers are going to ruin college basketball.
The best solution would be to make players only eligible for NIL after their first season at a school. However, I do not think this would survive a challenge in the courts. This means the NCAA should get rid of free transfers. Players need to sit out a year, if they transfer.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

NIL and free transfers are going to ruin college basketball.
The best solution would be to make players only eligible for NIL after their first season at a school. However, I do not think this would survive a challenge in the courts. This means the NCAA should get rid of free transfers. Players need to sit out a year, if they transfer.

Neither NIL or free transfers are "going to ruin college basketball."  That's just nonsense.

Related:

https://x.com/ESPNFlora/status/1706694398862348572?s=20


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Excluding rivalry week, Saturday was the most-watched regular season CFB Saturday ever, with nearly 12B total minutes consumed across all rated networks.

[Viper]

So to recap you want to take some of what the free market has determined that Kon is worth (full ride to Duke and NIL money) and you want to put a limit...I'm sorry...use a "calculator" to determine how much of that Kon should be forced to pay back to Duke because reasons? You just described a situation where someone is being forced to give up some of their income to a governing body simply because a limit...I mean "calculator" decided they are making too much money. A governing body deciding you make too much money and should be forced to pay that back? Sounds like socialist nonsense to me!

And to be clear, it's perfectly fine if you feel that way. I think there are situations where limits should be placed on profit for sake of the common good (worker safety, environmental regulations, not selling cigarettes to 5 year olds, etc.). I just fail to see what common good limiting the income of college athletes serves to justify putting a limit on their income.

limit? Said...where?

[Viper]

You aren't saying "limit." But you are most certainly implying it.

You even said earlier that you are not for NIL. Well, isn't that limiting one's earnings?

over your head, Sully. Stay on the Lake Mendota beach (stay off the pier, however)

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

over your head, Sully. Stay on the Lake Mendota beach (stay off the pier, however)

You clearly were called out on your illogical statements (more by TAMU than me) and instead of coming clean, or at least exiting with your pride somewhat intact, THIS is your response? 

Very weak.

It's very clear what you implied.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

limit? Said...where?

So when the "calculator" decides that Kon has made too much money and needs to pay back Duke some or all of his scolarship you don't think that limits his income? What would you call it?

[Viper]

So when the "calculator" decides that Kon has made too much money and needs to pay back Duke some or all of his scolarship you don't think that limits his income? What would you call it?

let's say my income is $350,000. I pay my bills...utilities, mortgage, car, whatever. This doesn't limit my income. Rather, I'm simply covering my responsibilities. Kon's 'income' is not limited either. And, Kon doesn't have to agree to the Duke offer if he feels somehow boxed in.
If he feels paying back tuition after accepting what amounts to a salary is unfair, he can say no to that, or counter offer, or look at other schools. Or, he can take the Duke offer, maybe even cut his own deals outside of the Duke offer. His income and ability to earn is not limited. Free market. Capitalism.
It's neither here nor there, but I'm guessing you do not work in the private sector?

[Viper]

You clearly were called out on your illogical statements (more by TAMU than me) and instead of coming clean, or at least exiting with your pride somewhat intact, THIS is your response? 

Very weak.

It's very clear what you implied.

thanks for playing, Sully. You once again offer nothing, but we'll still send you a parting gift.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

let's say my income is $350,000. I pay my bills...utilities, mortgage, car, whatever. This doesn't limit my income. Rather, I'm simply covering my responsibilities. Kon's 'income' is not limited either. And, Kon doesn't have to agree to the Duke offer if he feels somehow boxed in.
If he feels paying back tuition after accepting what amounts to a salary is unfair, he can say no to that, or counter offer, or look at other schools. Or, he can take the Duke offer, maybe even cut his own deals outside of the Duke offer. His income and ability to earn is not limited. Free market. Capitalism.
It's neither here nor there, but I'm guessing you do not work in the private sector?

Bills, utilities, mortgage, car, and whatever are costs, that you choose to spend your income on. Of course they don't limit your income.

What you are proposing is that is that part of Kon's income (his free tuition) be taken away from him simply because he also made money elsewhere. The more accurate comparison would be if someone decided that because you made $100,000 a year consulting on the side, you have to return part of your $250,000 salary at your 9-5 job back to your employer. That limits your income.

[Viper]

Bills, utilities, mortgage, car, and whatever are costs, that you choose to spend your income on. Of course they don't limit your income.

What you are proposing is that is that part of Kon's income (his free tuition) be taken away from him simply because he also made money elsewhere. The more accurate comparison would be if someone decided that because you made $100,000 a year consulting on the side, you have to return part of your $250,000 salary at your 9-5 job back to your employer. That limits your income.

whatever you say, because, well, whatever you say.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

whatever you say, because, well, whatever you say.

You got it comrade

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

thanks for playing, Sully. You once again offer nothing, but we'll still send you a parting gift.

White flag #1

whatever you say, because, well, whatever you say.

White flag#2

As I said, you should have bowed out earlier.

[Viper]

You got it comrade

question. Are you a MU grad? If so, what year?

[jfp61]

https://www.zagsblog.com/2023/09/27/class-of-24-matt-hodge-down-to-5-will-announce-friday/

top 5 Matt Hodge.

[brewcity77]

https://www.zagsblog.com/2023/09/27/class-of-24-matt-hodge-down-to-5-will-announce-friday/

top 5 Matt Hodge.

Going to guess Maryland with Villanova the next most likely option, but not hearing anything on him so imagine it isn't here.

[Uncle Rico]

Going to guess Maryland with Villanova the next most likely option, but not hearing anything on him so imagine it isn't here.

Green weenie, aina?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

question. Are you a MU grad? If so, what year?

Class of 11. You?

[DoctorV]

Going to guess Maryland with Villanova the next most likely option, but not hearing anything on him so imagine it isn't here.

I've heard that since the Kon announcement MU was making a push on a Jersey kid and I assumed it was Hodge. Also heard that the staff was very hopeful about the recruitment of Kon up until the end because "he's an old soul."
Leads me to believe that it was indeed a near miss, and gives some insight into the type of guys Shaka wants at Marquette.

I previously thought Shaka was very early on him and in a good position but then read the connections with Maryland/Nova.

The Friday announcement seems a bit out of the blue, and with the Kon loss super fresh perhaps that's a very good thing for Marquette.

Hopefully Mr Hodge sees a new door opening and Shaka swooped in like Duke did for Kon.

[brewcity77]

I've heard that since the Kon announcement MU was making a push on a Jersey kid and I assumed it was Hodge. Also heard that the staff was very hopeful about the recruitment of Kon up until the end because "he's an old soul."
Leads me to believe that it was indeed a near miss, and gives some insight into the type of guys Shaka wants at Marquette.

I previously thought Shaka was very early on him and in a good position but then read the connections with Maryland/Nova.

The Friday announcement seems a bit out of the blue, and with the Kon loss super fresh perhaps that's a very good thing for Marquette.

Hopefully Mr Hodge sees a new door opening and Shaka swooped in like Duke did for Kon.

Wouldn't totally rule it out and I'm always willing to be pleasantly surprised.

[wadesworld]

whatever you say, because, well, whatever you say.

Viper's getting put through the wringer here a bit the last day or so.