OT: Buzz's Thoughts on P5 Separation

[GoldenWarrior11]

https://soundcloud.com/img-audio/virginia-tech-img-tech-talk-live-coach-buzz-williams-on-improving-vt-facilities-12-1-14

Feel free to move this to the Superbar, but I thought it was relevant to MU Basketball, considering Buzz apparently left because he felt that the Big East would not be successful long term, wouldn't be able to recruit, etc.

Buzz says that he believes the P65 (ACC, SEC, Big 12, B1G and PAC 12) will separate from the NCAA "very soon" and "sooner rather than later".  He also thinks the "rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer".

Sounds like the sky is falling, Scoopers! 

[g0lden3agle]

Hiroshima has finally happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[willie warrior]

https://soundcloud.com/img-audio/virginia-tech-img-tech-talk-live-coach-buzz-williams-on-improving-vt-facilities-12-1-14

Feel free to move this to the Superbar, but I thought it was relevant to MU Basketball, considering Buzz apparently left because he felt that the Big East would not be successful long term, wouldn't be able to recruit, etc.

Buzz says that he believes the P65 (ACC, SEC, Big 12, B1G and PAC 12) will separate from the NCAA "very soon" and "sooner rather than later".  He also thinks the "rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer".

Sounds like the sky is falling, Scoopers! 

That may or may not happen. Football seems to run everything. But the ACC may be "Power" when it comes to basketball, but football--not so much. Even if the are a so called "power 5 conference."
 

[GGGG]

I'm not sure why Buzz feels he is in the ground floor of these discussions.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Dear lord, he is such an arrogant tool. I cant believe I put the blinders on the past 3 years. I hope he never makes another NCAA tourney again.

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I'm not sure why Buzz feels he is in the ground floor of these discussions.

Considering the amount of hand-written mail he sends, why would you think otherwise?

[MUfan12]

I'm not sure why Buzz feels he is in the ground floor of these discussions.

Because this summer, he memorized every NCAA President in order.

[madtownwarrior]

I wonder how much of the "happening sooner than later" talk is to further justify his move to a turd (no pun intended) program...

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Paint touches is going off on him on twitter right now.

[MU82]

Dear lord, he is such an arrogant tool. I cant believe I put the blinders on the past 3 years. I hope he never makes another NCAA tourney again.

I can believe you put the blinders on, as did I and many (most?) MU fans.

We are fans. We were winning. We were entertaining. We were proud to go S16-S16-E8. Buzz was even fun, in his weird way. By the very definition of fandom, we are supposed to support our coach and our program.

For three decades, Indiana fans LOVED perhaps the biggest douchebag in the history of coaching. That's what fans do.

[GGGG]

Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move.  It speaks volumes that since he left...

1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.

Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech.  He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach.  But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.

[Tugg Speedman]

Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move.  It speaks volumes that since he left...

1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.

Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech.  He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach.  But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.

+1

This is painfully transparent.  Buzz is trying to justify/rationalize/explain his move to the bottom of the ACC by arguing it is better than being part of a conference that will be "left behind."

doth protest too much!

[keefe]

I can believe you put the blinders on, as did I and many (most?) MU fans.


For three decades, Indiana fans LOVED perhaps the biggest douchebag in the history of coaching. That's what fans do.

Has Crean been at IU for three decades??

[hairy worthen]

Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move.  It speaks volumes that since he left...

1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.

Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech.  He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach.  But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.

That's assuming it was entirely his decision to leave.

[esotericmindguy]

Because this summer, he memorized every NCAA President in order.

So annoying. Even if he did, why feel the need to tell everyone about it. Like when he says they practiced for 37 minutes, worked out for 22.5 minutes, etc. My freaking high school coach had practice down to the minute, but I don't remember him walking around telling everyone about it. Right now I'm sure the Va Tech faithful are falling in love with his story about being down to $20 and handing out resumes at the final four. Or how he sleeps in his office. Don't get me wrong, great story teller, but he can't wait to tell everyone about it. Aww shucks, I's jus tryin to get a job. $%#! You.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Yeah, I think when all is said and done, Buzz pretty much out-thought himself with this entire move.  It speaks volumes that since he left...

1. Marquette hired the top assistant from the winningest coach in NCAA history.
2. Said coach is pulling in a top 10 recruiting class.
3. Marquette invested in facility upgrade for the basketball program.

Buzz will be fine at Virginia Tech.  He has a decent recruiting class coming in, and he is a good coach.  But still I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz.

Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.

However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)

[Aughnanure]

It's gonna be so exciting finding out who the 1 team left out of the tourney is. Drama all season!

[keefe]

you own a Zune

I have 3 Winphones so I own three Zunes!

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

It's gonna be so exciting finding out who the 1 team left out of the tourney is. Drama all season!

Probably VT

[Coleman]

I wonder how much of the "happening sooner than later" talk is to further justify his move to a turd (no pun intended) program...

bingo, I think he is trying to convince himself and everyone else that this was the right move for his career, even if it clearly wasn't.

Now, it is in his best interests to promote a breakaway as that would be the only thing that would mean his move made any sense.

[Coleman]

Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.

However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)

FWIW, I think Paint Touches is a good stat to track, but I agree with what you are saying about how Buzz sees himself.

[humanlung]

Hiroshima has finally happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not until Ron Paul shows up...

[MUMountin]

Buzz is a sharp guy, and I think he views himself as an early adopter/innovator.

However, sometimes being an early adopter means you have some misses (paint touches might be a bogus stat to track, the P5 might not break away from the NCAA, you own a Zune, etc)

Agreed--I think this explains a lot about his mentality.  He thought he could read the writing on the wall about the P5 and was worried about MU getting left out in the cold.  So he decided he needed to get into that club ASAP.  He might be right, and it could be a shrewd move, albeit rather premature in my book--its not like the P5 schools won't hire people from outside their ranks if they do leave, so I don't know why he needed to make the jump yet, especially for VT.

Not sure it explains why he went to VT of all the P5 schools, as he surely could have found a better gig than that.  But, that might be the other part of his nature: once he thinks he "knows" something, it is difficult for him to ignore it, and he has to act immediately, even if might be prudent to wait a little longer.  Leaving the New Orleans gig after one season to take a step back to an assistant's role would seem to demonstrate that. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

2024.  This is when the contract ends for the NCAA basketball tournament.  I was involved in the last round of bidding for the contract that ultimately went to Turner and CBS.  Unless the final document is different (which it could be), it is clear that tournament was to be carried to include the NCAA Men's Basketball Division I entities as they currently exist with over 300 DI schools and 30 conferences. 

The television guys know that what makes the stories are Butler, FGCU, Gonzaga, david and goliath, plus the success of many basketball traditional schools.  The television guys are not stupid, but I wonder about a coach down in Virginia who just might be.

Or maybe he thinks 2024 is soon.