Wally Ellenson Transferring to MU and Playing Basketball

[GGGG]

when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?

Duke 2010

Are we done with this stupid debate now?

[4everwarriors]

Crean didn't win either with NBA lottery picks either, hey?

[avid1010]

Talking about race is fine where it is relevant...like when we talk about things like affirmative action and the like.  But a good, white basketball player is better than a bad, black one.  The job of a coach is to get the best players he can.

no one will/should disagree with that, and you take the best players you can take, unless you feel a moral obligation in a different direction.  that said, facts are facts, and a majority white team hasn't won a championship in d1 bball in my lifetime (that i can think of).  i also believe that wojo will recruit the best players he can for his system at MU, and that the majority of those kids will happen to be black.  

[GGGG]

no one will/should disagree with that, and you take the best players you can take, unless you feel a moral obligation in a different direction.  that said, facts are facts, and a majority white team hasn't won a championship in d1 bball in my lifetime (that i can think of).  i also believe that wojo will recruit the best players he can for his system at MU, and that the majority of those kids will happen to be black. 

Again....Duke 2010.

Who was an assistant on that team?

Seriously, this is beyond embarrassing. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Crean didn't win either with NBA lottery picks either, hey?

He's had three lottery picks in last two years and parlayed that in one S16 and then a "no post season."

Restated, If our center was the seventh pick in the draft (as Noah Vonleh was last week) and we finished with no NCAA or NIT bid, what would we be thinking about our coach?

[Coleman]

when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?

2010 Duke Blue Devils?

Just a guess

[LAZER]

Again....Duke 2010.

Who was an assistant on that team?

Seriously, this is beyond embarrassing. 

How 'bout the team they beat in the NC too?

[avid1010]

Duke 2010

Are we done with this stupid debate now?

no sh!t...i'm guessing that just starts the debate.  well, i guess that debate has been going on for years with coach k. if you think the conversation is stupid and embarrassing, see yourself out of it;  put me on ignore; move on with your life.  i can think of many dumber things that have come from your keyboard. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

no sh!t...i'm guessing that just starts the debate.  well, i guess that debate has been going on for years with coach k.

There is no "debate".

If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.

But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the theme this summer.

[GGGG]

There is no "debate".

If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.

But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the theme this summer.

Exactly.  In the very thread discussing said recruit's commitment too. 

Embarrassing. 

[avid1010]

There is no "debate".

If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.

But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the theme this summer.

there is certainly a debate about the players coach k will and won't recruit.

[GGGG]

there is certainly a debate about the players coach k will and won't recruit.

...and what does that have to do with race?

[Celtic Truth]

when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?

TEXAS WESTERN 1966

[Silkk the Shaka]

It does not work that way.  You cannot hide players in other sports.  He will transfer and sit out next year and count as BOTH a track and basketball scholarship.

Otherwise, most football teams could "hide" half their team with scholarships to the track team.

I think it works like this: if he's on the basketball team, he counts as a basketball scholarship and basically "walks on" to the track team, using no scholarship there. If he leaves the basketball team to focus on track, then he counts against track scholarships.

And I think the hierarchy is this: Football, then basketball, then everything else. So for example a guy like Julius Peppers took a football scholarship at UNC and "walked on" to the basketball team, not using up a scholarship there. But he could not do the reverse.

I could be wrong though.

[esotericmindguy]

Had Kentucky not hit a lucky 25 foot 3 to beat UW, the badgers may have won this year. A Kentucky with about 7 McD All Americans.  College basketball is largely a 3 point shooting contest. High majority of the top teams shoot the 3 very well.

[Galway Eagle]

Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball

But[ler] they can get to back to back runner ups which I'll still take as a good step. 

[avid1010]

...and what does that have to do with race?

jalen rose felt it did.  not saying he was correct, but the debate is certainly there.

[Tums Festival]

I'm sure Wally transferring on a basketball scholarship will have the Vadger faithful foaming at the mouth. Good for them!

[mu03eng]

There is no "debate".

If somebody wants to have an open and honest conversation about race, that's cool.

But, there are probably better forums out there for that. No need to get into it each time MU signs a white player, which seems to be the thmeme this summer.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

there is certainly a debate about the players coach k will and won't recruit.

Honestly, I had no idea that there was such a debate, but assuming there is, I would still suggest that there are better forums (both virtual and real-life) to discuss that topic.

We don't need to rehash or allude to this kind of stuff each time MU signs another player.

[Galway Eagle]

when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?

Win? Probably been awhile but majority white teams have been runners up quite a few times and that's something I'll still take.

I mean if you and thatdude thought about it like "hey what if these guys turned out to be a team of Bird, jimmer, Mcdermott, stockton, Nash, etc" Then I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining.  But instead you're choosing to think of it as a team of Jake thomas.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

jalen rose felt it did.  not saying he was correct, but the debate is certainly there.

Then maybe take that to a Jalen Rose or even a Duke forum?

I think it's a big stretch to bring it here.

[ecompt]

Bo has to be positively squirming in Madison. He loved recruiting against Buzz because the lying creep wouldn't go after state kids. All of a sudden Wojo will be kicking Bo's butt in getting those kids to Wells Street. And you gotta think Diener's presence will help, too.

[StillAWarrior]

when is the last time a majority white team won a d1 bball championship?

That sound you hear is everyone running to scour Duke's media guide.

[Coleman]

Bo has to be positively squirming in Madison. He loved recruiting against Buzz because the lying creep wouldn't go after state kids. All of a sudden Wojo will be kicking Bo's butt in getting those kids to Wells Street. And you gotta think Diener's presence will help, too.

That's not precisely true. Buzz stole Vander away.