Early Non-Con schedule

[NavinRJohnson]

1) Does Marquette charge any less for these pseudo exhibition games that it does for the Big Boys?  Obviously not.

2) If we're not ready for the Big time, why not extend pre-season practice? Let them learn Buzz's system on their time, not our's. You would think that if someone was recruited to Marquette, they would know the system. Or they should be reserves until they learn it. I'm not a basketball player but we're not talking brain surgery with a liver transplant thrown in, are we?

3) Yes, I know we historically played crap in November and December. Al used to schedule St. John's of Minnesota, St. Thomas of Minnesota and a host of other places I had to find using The Collegiate Guide to Obscure Colleges. He called them cupcakes and they were as offensive then as they are now.

Big Boys should play Big Boys. Period! Now, then and forever.

You have demonstrated your fundamental lack of understanding of why those games are scheduled. "Cupcake games" have little to to do with wins and losses, and everything thing to do with the revenue they generate. Those games pay the bills. That's it. Just as NFL and NBA teams require season ticket holders to purchase preseason games, so do college teams require that you buy the Nov/Dec games. It's the simple reality of charging what the market is willing to pay.

[spartan3186]

2012 was the 8th, the 2nd weekend in December. UW-MU is during the Army/Navy game, not during Championship weekend in college football. Maybe it's a Madison thing.

UW game is confirmed on December 7th per the MU Facebook page. And Arizona State confirmed on Nov. 25th.

[bradley center bat]

UW game is confirmed on December 7th per the MU Facebook page. And Arizona State confirmed on Nov. 25th.

Yes, we all know that. Facebook is where everyone is getting the dates from.

What does that have to do with past years, when UW-MU have played?

[Spotcheck Billy]

Marquette actually does charge more for 'Premium' conference games.

As for playing cupcakes vs. BIG BOYS, didn't you ever notice how Syracuse will often be 11-0 and not even play any games outside of New York state? Not many of those are BIG BOY games.

1) Does Marquette charge any less for these pseudo exhibition games that it does for the Big Boys?  Obviously not.

2) If we're not ready for the Big time, why not extend pre-season practice? Let them learn Buzz's system on their time, not our's. You would think that if someone was recruited to Marquette, they would know the system. Or they should be reserves until they learn it. I'm not a basketball player but we're not talking brain surgery with a liver transplant thrown in, are we?

3) Yes, I know we historically played crap in November and December. Al used to schedule St. John's of Minnesota, St. Thomas of Minnesota and a host of other places I had to find using The Collegiate Guide to Obscure Colleges. He called them cupcakes and they were as offensive then as they are now.

Big Boys should play Big Boys. Period! Now, then and forever.

[wardle2wade]

Marquette actually does charge more for 'Premium' conference games.

True, but that's true only for single-game tickets.  I believe the original argument was referring to season ticket holders.

Also, premium pricing single-game tickets is becoming a common practice now for major programs.  I saw MU at Cuse (Jan 2012) and bought the ticket from their box office on gameday.  I paid $95 face for an awful lower level ticket... last row corner lower level bleacher and under an overhang in the Carrier Dome.  Cuse charged $95 face because it was a Saturday conference game... and because it was the only thing to do within 200 miles that Saturday in January.  Would have been great if MU completed that comeback.

[The Lens]

I still cannot believe that in a year where we play:

Ohio State
Bucky
ASU
New Mexico

AND a three game national tourney...

that we still have ppl complaining about the sked.  Sure the home non conf is light but if that's how the sausage gets made and I get 6 good neutral / road games in the non conf, I am not going to complain.  And I have lower level seats that I spend 4 figures on annually.

Look for me hob-nobbing, networking and socializing with friends at Southern & New Hamp and then find me at home pacing in front of the TV for those road games. 

This sked could end up rivaling 1994 in terms of quality per game.

[brandx]

In your first post, you said this:

But when it was pointed out to you that this really is no different than MU's past, or pretty much what all of the "big boys" do now, you changed it to this.

Which is a different argument entirely.  Yeah, and while I would like the top level schools to play nothing but top level opponents, the economics of college sports say that will never happen.  The "big boys" need as many home games as possible to maximize revenue...the "little boys" need to get on the road and cash some checks also to maximize revenue.  It's a system that works for everyone.

This is it in a nutshell. There are reasons Boeheim schedules so many New York cupcakes. Of course the revenue playing at home is big ( and it may be more than if they play a "big boy" because the guarantee is not nearly as much).

It also helps recruiting because he games are in-state.

Finally, it is also to do a favor for small in-state schools (who pose no threat) because it is giving them a much bigger guaranteed payday than if that same small school played a NAIA or Div. 3 opponent.

[bradley center bat]

True, but that's true only for single-game tickets.  I believe the original argument was referring to season ticket holders.

When buying season-tickets they are discounted.

[wardle2wade]

When buying season-tickets they are discounted.

Yep.

[spartan3186]

Yes, we all know that. Facebook is where everyone is getting the dates from.

What does that have to do with past years, when UW-MU have played?

It doesn't but we're talking about a one day difference here (7th vs 8th) , despite the "second weekend".

2013 -- December 7th
2012 -- December 8th
2011 -- December 3rd
2010 -- December 11th
2009 -- December 12th
2008 -- December 6th
2007 -- December 8th
2006 -- December 9th
2005 -- December 10th

The game has been played within a 9 day every year since 2003 when it was played on the 20th. Having the game on the 14th would be an outlier.

[jsglow]

Look for me hob-nobbing, networking and socializing with friends at Southern & New Hamp and then find me at home pacing in front of the TV for those road games. 

Right there with ya Lens.  The Batch 19s in the Courtside Club are just as cold and I can always get a table in the bar for pre-game festivities.

[bradley center bat]

It doesn't but we're talking about a one day difference here (7th vs 8th) , despite the "second weekend".

2013 -- December 7th
2012 -- December 8th
2011 -- December 3rd
2010 -- December 11th
2009 -- December 12th
2008 -- December 6th
2007 -- December 8th
2006 -- December 9th
2005 -- December 10th

The game has been played within a 9 day every year since 2003 when it was played on the 20th. Having the game on the 14th would be an outlier.

The second weekend is the whole point. I know the weekends since I go if it's in Milwaukee or Madison.

College basketball is dirt in viewership to college football. Playing on the first weekend you are lost in the mix, because it's conference title games or the semi-finals in term of the SEC title game. MU at Wisconsin will be on BTN in all odds because it falls on the first weekend. Heck, the UW band wasn't at the game because the football team was in the B1G title game in 2011.

[GGGG]

BTW, the UW game will very likely be early afternoon.  UW hockey is playing at home that weekend.

[brewcity77]

This is a great schedule. Southern has enough to challenge again in the SWAC. The only real downsides to this schedule right now are Grambling and New Hampshire. For Grambling, though, they can't possibly be worse than last year. They could go 0-28 again, but I suspect they'll improve their win total by at least a couple. New Hampshire wasn't good and likely won't be again, but what are you gonna do? They aren't all going to be diamonds.

We have 3 spots left. I hope we fill them with either 3 buy games or 2 buy games and a home-and-home starting at the BC. I doubt that, as we have tOSU starting here. Either way, we get 16 home games, which is a respectable number. Get teams in the 100-200 range and we'll have a great non-conference schedule. Lose no more than 2 of those, win the league, get a 2/3 seed at worst. Lose 1, win the league, win the conference tourney, we might just be able to get a seed line higher.

[jsglow]

We have 3 spots left. I hope we fill them with either 3 buy games or 2 buy games and a home-and-home starting at the BC. I doubt that, as we have tOSU starting here. Either way, we get 16 home games, which is a respectable number. Get teams in the 100-200 range and we'll have a great non-conference schedule.

I wonder if Larry is still holding out hope for a ND home/home? This would be the year to do that at the BC with Bucky in Madtown.

[brewcity77]

I wonder if Larry is still holding out hope for a ND home/home? This would be the year to do that at the BC with Bucky in Madtown.

That's my dream scenario, but I have to imagine if we were getting ND we'd have heard about it by now. Who knows...maybe they are waiting until late to announce it because they know it will be big news.

[bradley center bat]

Nov. 8 Southern
Nov. 12 Grambling
Nov. 16 Ohio State
Nov. 20 or 21 New Hampshire
Nov. 25 @Arizona State

Nov. 28, 29 & Dec .1. Wooden Legacy
Arizona State
Cal State Fullerton
College of Charleston
Creighton
George Washington
San Diego State
Miami

Dec. 7 @ Wisconsin
Dec. 14 IUPUI
Dec. 17 Ball State
Dec. 21 New Mexico in Las Vegas
Dec. 28 Samford

[Abode4life]

Nov. 8 Southern
Nov. 12 Grambling
Nov. 16 Ohio State
Nov. 20 or 21 New Hampshire
Nov. 25 @Arizona State

Nov. 28, 29 & Dec .1. Wooden Legacy
Arizona State
Cal State Fullerton
College of Charleston
Creighton
George Washington
San Diego State
Miami

Dec. 7 @ Wisconsin
Dec. 14 IUPUI
Dec. 17 Ball State
Dec. 21 New Mexico in Las Vegas
Dec. 28 Samford

Here is the link for anyone that cares for it.

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/marq-m-baskbl-sched.html

[Coleman]

Nov. 8 Southern
Nov. 12 Grambling
Nov. 16 Ohio State
Nov. 20 or 21 New Hampshire
Nov. 25 @Arizona State

Nov. 28, 29 & Dec .1. Wooden Legacy
Arizona State
Cal State Fullerton
College of Charleston
Creighton
George Washington
San Diego State
Miami

Dec. 7 @ Wisconsin
Dec. 14 IUPUI
Dec. 17 Ball State
Dec. 21 New Mexico in Las Vegas
Dec. 28 Samford

So we are in a tournament with 2 teams we are already playing in the regular season?

[bradley center bat]

So we are in a tournament with 2 teams we are already playing in the regular season?

Does that really matter to you?

[GGGG]

So we are in a tournament with 2 teams we are already playing in the regular season?

Creighton couldn't be helped, but the ASU thing did stand out. 

As long as they are on the other side of the bracket, I am OK with that.

[spartan3186]

Nov. 8 Southern
Nov. 12 Grambling
Nov. 16 Ohio State
Nov. 20 or 21 New Hampshire
Nov. 25 @Arizona State

Nov. 28, 29 & Dec .1. Wooden Legacy
Arizona State
Cal State Fullerton
College of Charleston
Creighton
George Washington
San Diego State
Miami

Dec. 7 @ Wisconsin
Dec. 14 IUPUI
Dec. 17 Ball State
Dec. 21 New Mexico in Las Vegas
Dec. 28 Samford

Interesting that there is no UWGB. I thought we still had one game left in that series.

Also sort of interesting that there are 5 teams on our schedule we have never played before: Southern, New Hampshire, Ball State, New Mexico and Samford. That seems like a lot to me.

[warriorchick]

Does anyone know this year's home game for which the season ticket holders get first crack at other tickets?  Last year I believe it was Wisconsin.

[spartan3186]

Does anyone know this year's home game for which the season ticket holders get first crack at other tickets?  Last year I believe it was Wisconsin.

I think STH get a first crack at all tickets, but I would imagine that if it were only one game it would be Ohio State. Not really any other big non-con games.

[marquette20]

Interesting that there is no UWGB. I thought we still had one game left in that series.

Also, weren't they suppose to renew the series with UW-Milwaukee after taking last season off.