Early Non-Con schedule

[bradley center bat]

I'm disappointed people complain about this year after year as ifnitbsomehow unique to Marquette, and not a reality of sports.

I agree. MU has played tough non-league schedule with Buzz. You need $$$$ games to pay the bills for both schools.

[bradley center bat]

Is southern southern Illinois? Or some other southern?

It's Southern! The Jags.

[KenoshaWarrior]

I have a feeling that none of you would be happy unless this was the schedule

Home Vs Duke
Home Vs UCLA
Home Vs Kansas
Home Vs Wisconsin (Because every team needs a buy game)

[MU82]

The "big boys" on Duke's schedule last year included Western Washington, Winston-Salem State, Georgia State, Delaware, Cornell and Elon.
Kentucky's "big boys" included Northwood, Transylvania, Lafayette, Morehead State, Long Island, Samford and Lipscomb.
Syracuse faced Colgate, Wagner, Monmouth, Canisius, Alcorn State and Central Connecticut.
Ohio State: Albany, Northern Kentucky, Savannah St., UNC-Asheville, Chicago St., Missouri-Kansas City.

Want more?

Thanks Pakuni. I wanted to post something like this myself but was too lazy to look it all up.

The big boys play cupcakes every single year, and lots of them.

[The Lens]

In the span of 3 weeks MU will play:

Ohio State at Home
New Mexico in Las Vegas
@Arizona State
3 Games in the Wooden Legacy (1 or 2 of them could be vs Miami, Creighton and / or San Diego State)
@Wisconsin

That's 5-6 high profile big conf games for our non conf.  Why in world is anyone complaining?

[jsglow]

Similarly, although Tiago Splitter is large and highly paid, he is not a "big boy" of the NBA so LeBron's rejection of his attempted dunk carries limited value.  Maybe jsglow can take down the gif in his signature so my page loads that much faster.  Same thing with Novak doing the Aaron Rodgers impression and that soccer coach with his head on fire.  On the other hand I never minded waiting for the Kate Upton dougie gif to load.

Ask and ye shall receive.  However, warriorchick has promised to put her sexy Clay Matthews Dance gif back up if she sees Kate Upton on here.

[spartan3186]

In the span of 3 weeks MU will play:

Ohio State at Home
New Mexico in Las Vegas
@Arizona State
3 Games in the Wooden Legacy (1 or 2 of them could be vs Miami, Creighton and / or San Diego State)
@Wisconsin

That's 5-6 high profile big conf games for our non conf.  Why in world is anyone complaining?

Small point, but I'm pretty sure New Mexico is going to be Dec 21st not Nov 21st. Primarily because Marquette said New Hampshire was on Nov 20/21. Still, a lot of high profile games in Nov/Dec.

[bradley center bat]

MGM Grand Garden Classic (Albuquerque Journal and White and Blue Review)
Dec. 20-21: Las Vegas

Dec. 20
Colorado vs. Oklahoma State
Portland vs. Bradley

Dec. 21
New Mexico vs. Marquette
Bradley vs. Pacific

[The Lens]

My bad.  I has seen Nov 21st for MGM.  Dec 21st makes more sense.  Nonetheless I am very pleased with the sked as constructed and looking forward a round robin in conference.

[willie warrior]

Ask and ye shall receive.  However, warriorchick has promised to put her sexy Clay Matthews Dance gif back up if she sees Kate Upton on here.

Not sure about that dance and with all due respect to Warriorchick, I vote Kate Upton.

[bradley center bat]

Who does the schedule on the wiki site, it listed Dec. 7th for the Badger game. Most years it's the 2nd weekend in Dec.

[dgies9156]

It sounds like you expect our warmup games to be against Belmont Vermont and Murray state and for all the other games to be against Kentucky, unc Etc.  we schedule the way we do to appease developing players with playing time and let them adjust to Buzz's system.  It also guarantees us a certain amount of wins and then you do the math that we'll win at least another percent of the bigger games so that we make the tournament.  If you had your scheduling the only years we'd have made the tournament would be 08-09, 11-12 and 12-13

1) Does Marquette charge any less for these pseudo exhibition games that it does for the Big Boys?  Obviously not.

2) If we're not ready for the Big time, why not extend pre-season practice? Let them learn Buzz's system on their time, not our's. You would think that if someone was recruited to Marquette, they would know the system. Or they should be reserves until they learn it. I'm not a basketball player but we're not talking brain surgery with a liver transplant thrown in, are we?

3) Yes, I know we historically played crap in November and December. Al used to schedule St. John's of Minnesota, St. Thomas of Minnesota and a host of other places I had to find using The Collegiate Guide to Obscure Colleges. He called them cupcakes and they were as offensive then as they are now.

Big Boys should play Big Boys. Period! Now, then and forever.

[Galway Eagle]

1) Does Marquette charge any less for these pseudo exhibition games that it does for the Big Boys?  Obviously not.

2) If we're not ready for the Big time, why not extend pre-season practice? Let them learn Buzz's system on their time, not our's. You would think that if someone was recruited to Marquette, they would know the system. Or they should be reserves until they learn it. I'm not a basketball player but we're not talking brain surgery with a liver transplant thrown in, are we?

3) Yes, I know we historically played crap in November and December. Al used to schedule St. John's of Minnesota, St. Thomas of Minnesota and a host of other places I had to find using The Collegiate Guide to Obscure Colleges. He called them cupcakes and they were as offensive then as they are now.

Big Boys should play Big Boys. Period! Now, then and forever.

You don't realize that even in the NBA there's cupcakes do you? You can't avoid cupcakes that's the way sports work.  If it were up to you only wanting more bang for your buck we'd never make the tournament and we wouldn't be considered a "big boy" anymore.  There's only sooo many games straight of big boys these players can take that's why the tournament is such a big deal. 

I get it if you aren't/weren't a basketball player, but have you never played sports or something?  Every coach has his own way of doing things, think of if a recruit came from a slow down offense or no defense style of play and needed to be coached to play uptempo.  Then also realize that telling a top 100 player "yeah we're just gonna use you as a reserve" isn't going to remotely help recruiting why do you think we have had so many transfers? 

I don't know about ticket prices I'm a super senior so I still get my student tickets, but the way I see it two tshirts, probably would cost 30 in the spirit shop, Madness a little chunk of money, then would pay like 10 for a cupcake game vs like 30 or 40 for OSU or WI, student tickets, at least, are a great deal. 

And that big boys vs big boys philosophy would prevent any teams from ever becoming good that weren't before, Al once called Xavier a cupcake game that is a must win, now days they're a competitive team that has had more success than us the past 10 years with 2 elite 8s and 3 sweet 16s.  If your philosophy was the way things were they'd just be the best bad team and never have been able to work their way up to that level. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

1) Does Marquette charge any less for these pseudo exhibition games that it does for the Big Boys?  Obviously not.

2) If we're not ready for the Big time, why not extend pre-season practice? Let them learn Buzz's system on their time, not our's. You would think that if someone was recruited to Marquette, they would know the system. Or they should be reserves until they learn it. I'm not a basketball player but we're not talking brain surgery with a liver transplant thrown in, are we?

3) Yes, I know we historically played crap in November and December. Al used to schedule St. John's of Minnesota, St. Thomas of Minnesota and a host of other places I had to find using The Collegiate Guide to Obscure Colleges. He called them cupcakes and they were as offensive then as they are now.

Big Boys should play Big Boys. Period! Now, then and forever.

1) If you don't think it's worth it, then don't go. Very few teams at the collegiate level change prices for games against cupcakes
2) There is a HUGE difference between learning the system in practice and executing it in a game. You can run the system perfectly everytime in practice but that doesn't mean crap. Other teams will think differently and have different strategies to counter our system. Not too mention the pressure that comes against playing in front of a crowd and when a W or an L matters. I will always advocate playing a couple of cupcakes to warm our players up.
3)If it worked for Al, than its works for me. Also consider the financial implications. Bigger schools would have to pay us to come to their court or vice versa. Its much cheaper to pay Southern to come play rather than Kentucky.

Big Boys do play big boys. They also play cupcakes...usually before playing the Big Boys. See the past post about the list of cupcakes blue bloods played last season.

And for what its worth, we should watch out for southern. They won their conference last season and will be one of the favorites to win it this season.

[GGGG]

In your first post, you said this:

Big boys play big boys. Period.

But when it was pointed out to you that this really is no different than MU's past, or pretty much what all of the "big boys" do now, you changed it to this.

Big Boys should play Big Boys. Period!  

Which is a different argument entirely.  Yeah, and while I would like the top level schools to play nothing but top level opponents, the economics of college sports say that will never happen.  The "big boys" need as many home games as possible to maximize revenue...the "little boys" need to get on the road and cash some checks also to maximize revenue.  It's a system that works for everyone.

[mumike22]

MGM Grand Garden Classic (Albuquerque Journal and White and Blue Review)
Dec. 20-21: Las Vegas

Dec. 20
Colorado vs. Oklahoma State
Portland vs. Bradley

Dec. 21
New Mexico vs. Marquette
Bradley vs. Pacific

where have you seen this confirmed?

[spartan3186]

Who does the schedule on the wiki site, it listed Dec. 7th for the Badger game. Most years it's the 2nd weekend in Dec.

1) Anyone can edit the wiki. That's why its a wiki.

2) UW-Madison finals are Dec 16th. Typically the game falls the two weekends before finals.

3) 2012 game was on the 8th, 2011 game was on the 3rd...

[GGGG]

UW game is the 7th.  Pearl Harbor Day. 

[bradley center bat]

1) Anyone can edit the wiki. That's why its a wiki.

2) UW-Madison finals are Dec 16th. Typically the game falls the two weekends before finals.

3) 2012 game was on the 8th, 2011 game was on the 3rd...

2012 was the 8th, the 2nd weekend in December. UW-MU is during the Army/Navy game, not during Championship weekend in college football. Maybe it's a Madison thing.

[bilsu]

+1.

Wonder if MU has ever opened against a NCAA Tourney team if not involved in some kind of 'special' event (like the Carrier Classic)?  Shoule be one helluva Friday night with the BEast banner going up pre-game.

Macillvanie, Key and Logterman started their career with a game at #6 ranked Duke on 11-14-90. The real oddity is that they ended their career with a game against #6 ranked Duke 3-24-94. Both were losses. I wonder if anyone else played the same school the first and last games or their career?

[dgies9156]

1) If you don't think it's worth it, then don't go. Very few teams at the collegiate level change prices for games against cupcakes

3)If it worked for Al, than its works for me......

1) Generally, I don't go to Cupcake U games. And judging by the number of empty seats at the Bradley Center, neither does a lot of other people.

3) OUCH! That one hurt more than anything else here!

Realistically, apart from value, I am concerned about RPI at the end of the year. Playing Grambling, St. John's of MN or the Wauwatosa School of Nuns (which probably would be the toughest of the three opponents), doesn't do a thing for RPI. Playing Big Boys does -- especially if we win!

[dgies9156]

In your first post, you said this:

But when it was pointed out to you that this really is no different than MU's past, or pretty much what all of the "big boys" do now, you changed it to this.

Which is a different argument entirely.  Yeah, and while I would like the top level schools to play nothing but top level opponents, the economics of college sports say that will never happen.  The "big boys" need as many home games as possible to maximize revenue...the "little boys" need to get on the road and cash some checks also to maximize revenue.  It's a system that works for everyone.

My bad. It was late at night and Big Boys Play Big Boys. Especially if they want an RPI that will get them into the NCAA tournament. And, it's doubtful we'll ever lose to any of these teams, but if we ever do, our season is almost over before it starts.

Look at the impact of the Green Bay game last year. That one was a near big boy game and had we not shown some heroics in the conference season, our tournament hopes would have died in the Reich Center.

Think of the implication if we had ever lost to that little boy on the East Side, UW-M! Yikes!

[BM1090]

Look at the impact of the Green Bay game last year. That one was a near big boy game and had we not shown some heroics in the conference season, our tournament hopes would have died in the Reich Center.

Think of the implication if we had ever lost to that little boy on the East Side, UW-M! Yikes!

We got a three seed. We could have lost 4 more games and been safely in the tournament.

[Galway Eagle]

My bad. It was late at night and Big Boys Play Big Boys. Especially if they want an RPI that will get them into the NCAA tournament. And, it's doubtful we'll ever lose to any of these teams, but if we ever do, our season is almost over before it starts.

Look at the impact of the Green Bay game last year. That one was a near big boy game and had we not shown some heroics in the conference season, our tournament hopes would have died in the Reich Center.

Think of the implication if we had ever lost to that little boy on the East Side, UW-M! Yikes!

Are you saying that UWGB is almost a "big boy" in your mind? 

[GGGG]

My bad. It was late at night and Big Boys Play Big Boys.

That was already shown to be largely false.  Everyone plays cupcakes.