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New Conference a Huge Academic Downgrade
« on: March 21, 2013, 05:27:20 AM »
Does this bother anybody a bit?

What we lost all national:  
1. Notre Dame #17
2. Syracuse #58 tied
2. Pittsburgh #58 tied
3. Connecticut #63
4. Rutgers #68
5. Cincinnati #139
6. Louisville #160
7. West Virginia #165
8. South Florida #170

What the new conference is/likely will be:  
National:  
1. Georgetown #21  
2. Marquette #83  
3. SLU #92  
4. Dayton #115  
5. Seton Hall #131  
6. Depaul #134  
7. St John's #147  
Regional:  
8. Villanova #1 North  
8. Creighton #1 Midwest  
9. Butler #2 Midwest  
10. Providence #4 North
10. Xavier #4 Midwest
« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 01:29:11 PM by BagpipingBoxer »
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2013, 05:39:19 AM »
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 21, 2013, 05:27:20 AM
Does this bother anybody a bit?

Not one second.

What do ATHLETIC conferences have to do with academics?
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Galway Eagle

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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2013, 05:45:55 AM »
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 21, 2013, 05:39:19 AM
Not one second.

What do ATHLETIC conferences have to do with academics?

I'm not quite sure but have you ever noticed that conference leaders always go on about the schools being academically elite.  For example did you watch the announcement yesterday? The guys from GTown and Providence went on about how they were committed to great academics. 
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2013, 06:27:01 AM »
I'd argue that combining like schools with the help of a new sports network could actually enhance the academic rankings of the schools in this conference. 

In a newspaper article in the Omaha newspaper, one reason Creighton lobbied hard to get into this new conference was that the business school is looking to expand and they felt that the increased publicity Creighton will get around the country now will help attract donations and students and we all know that new facilities greatly pushes the academic rankings up whether the education is better or not. 

In other words, Marquette will do just fine in the new Big East both athletically and academically.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 06:34:07 AM »
Those rankings are total crap.  Look at how they are determined.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 06:36:24 AM »
The rankings favor large research schools, so no I don't care.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 06:37:27 AM »
When did Dayton & St. Louis join the Big East?  :D
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 06:41:38 AM »
Simply because a school has a regional ranking does not mean it is less elite that a national one. Richmond is a prime example of this and would be the second most selective school in this conference.

Creighton and Villanova have dominated their regions for a long time and are very selective. USNWR rankings are very much skewed against small private and liberal art colleges. We won't be missing the academic prowess of Wes Virginia, Louisville or USF anytime soon.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 06:47:52 AM »
Frankly, it bothers me more that you can't spell Academic :P
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 06:58:00 AM »
Quote from: 2TimeWarrior on March 21, 2013, 06:47:52 AM
Frankly, it bothers me more that you can't spell Academic :P


Sorry after an all nighter before a midterm i wasn't checking my grammar
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 07:01:37 AM »
Wait a minute, you're really arguing that WVa and USF are stronger schools than Nova and Creighton?

Next...
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 07:05:30 AM »
The fact that Nova and Creighton aren't included in the "national" rankings is arbitrary and strange. I think an education from either is a nationally viable one.

I'd sure as heck want a degree from either one to a degree from Cincy, USF, Louisville, or WVU.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 07:10:10 AM »
It's only a "downgrade" if you place a greater premium on "national" rankings over "regional" rankings.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 07:11:37 AM »
Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2013, 07:10:10 AM
It's only a "downgrade" if you place a greater premium on "national" rankings over "regional" rankings.

Well I had assumed that being a national university meant you were above the regional ones.  If that's incorrect please explain how the rankings really work. 
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 07:13:51 AM »
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 21, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
Well I had assumed that being a national university meant you were above the regional ones.  If that's incorrect please explain how the rankings really work. 

Lesson #1: they don't.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2013, 07:15:01 AM »
Someone concern trolling about the new conference's "academics", should probably not misspell "academics" in the thread title.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 07:22:18 AM »
Quote from: lab_warrior on March 21, 2013, 07:15:01 AM
Someone concern trolling about the new conference's "academics", should probably not misspell "academics" in the thread title.

Allnighter, hyped up on redbull, have a midterm in three hours sorry i couldn't meet your picky standards. 
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2013, 07:23:56 AM »
My understanding is some schools, Dayton for one, do not cooperate in the rankings process. More schools should just ignore the rankings.  How in the hell can Yale law be ranked ahead of Harvard law, or vice versa? Ridiculous.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2013, 07:25:13 AM »
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 21, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
Well I had assumed that being a national university meant you were above the regional ones.  If that's incorrect please explain how the rankings really work. 

You haven't read your own list, or perhaps not had your coffee yet this morning if you ever believed Louisville, West Virginia, and South Florida are in anyone's mind, list, or imagination close to Villanova, Creighton, and Butler academically.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 07:28:55 AM »
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 21, 2013, 07:22:18 AM
Allnighter, hyped up on redbull, have a midterm in three hours sorry i couldn't meet your picky standards. 

Don't let the grammar Nazis bother you.  Anyone who does that must never make any mistakes.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2013, 07:32:16 AM »
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 21, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
Well I had assumed that being a national university meant you were above the regional ones.  If that's incorrect please explain how the rankings really work. 


First off, the rankings are based on reputation more than anything...not on how effectively they actually educate someone.

Second, national v. regional are based off where they draw their students.  Marquette draws its students from a more national base than Villanova does.

Third, these rankings are dumb.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2013, 07:38:56 AM »
West Virginia has a great furniture fire retardant school, I've heard.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2013, 07:40:43 AM »
It IS a step down.  But clearly the academics ship sailed away out of the harbor long ago.
Don't care. Just win
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2013, 07:47:32 AM »
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on March 21, 2013, 05:27:20 AM
Does this bother anybody a bit?

What we lost all national:  
1. Notre Dame #17
2. Syracuse #58 tied
2. Pittsburgh #58 tied
3. Connecticut #63
4. Rutgers #68
5. Cincinnati #139
6. Louisville #160
7. West Virginia #165
8. South Florida #170

What the new conference is/likely will be:  
National:  
1. Georgetown #21  
2. Marquette #83  
3. SLU #92  
4. Dayton #115  
5. Seton Hall #131  
6. Depaul #134  
7. St John's #147  
Regional:  
8. Villanova #1 North  
8. Creighton #1 Midwest  
9. Butler #2 Midwest  
10. Providence #4 North
10. Xavier #4 Midwest

You do know that the reason these schools are regional is that they do not offer PhD programs correct? Nova is a FANTASTIC school with a dynamite business school. All of the new additions are an academic upgrade to Ville, Cinci, WVU and USF. You really should understand the subject matter before making blanket statements that are completely false. Next you're going to tell us the Earth is flat because you cannot see it curve? Come on man, be smarter than that.
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Re: New Conference a Huge Acedemic Downgrade
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2013, 07:50:06 AM »
Quote from: Sylvester78 on March 21, 2013, 07:40:43 AM
It IS a step down.  But clearly the academics ship sailed away out of the harbor long ago.
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