Notre Dame to ACC

[chapman]

Another issue, they were ranked second in lacrosse last year and with Syracuse also out it leaves a pair of 8-7 teams as the Big East's best.  None of the new schools currently have lacrosse either.  On the bright side, if the basketball conference were to form they'd only lose Rutgers from this list, and if they were to sign up some A-10 teams St. Joe's and UMass play.

Big East lacrosse will be down to Georgetown, Nova, St. John's, Rutgers, Providence, Marquette. Combined zero NCAA tourney wins since '08.

http://twitter.com/D1scourse/status/245882126598279170

[lurch91]

ND will be playing for 3rd place in the ACC every year at best.  UNC and Duke rule that conference, and adding ND isn't going to change that.

Playing 5 ACC teams a year in FB isn't going to raise the ND profile either.  Look at how BC and Miami have fared in their moves to the ACC.  Either program is now irrelevant in football and basketball.

[Chili]

The issue is going to be when Georgetown (I would assume, it fits the ACC Mission) jumps to the ACC for All Sports. It's going to happen. They are not sitting at 15.

[Ari Gold]

And Seth Davis nails it on the head.

https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/245884040744402944

"The Catholic/non-FB schools in Big East will someday face a choice: Remain on a sinking ship, or break off and form their own conference?"

Let the speculation over teams in a Non-Football conference begin!

[GGGG]

ND will be playing for 3rd place in the ACC every year at best.  UNC and Duke rule that conference, and adding ND isn't going to change that.

Playing 5 ACC teams a year in FB isn't going to raise the ND profile either.  Look at how BC and Miami have fared in their moves to the ACC.  Either program is now irrelevant in football and basketball.

I can pretty much guaranty you that Boston College and Miami have no regrets whatsoever about their decisions to leave.  Seriously, if you are a football playing member of the BCS right now, would you rather be in the ACC or the Big East?

[MileHigh]

The issue is going to be when Georgetown (I would assume, it fits the ACC Mission) jumps to the ACC for All Sports. It's going to happen. They are not sitting at 15.

You hit the nail on the head.  The ACC proved that you can pull the Big East apart by taking a school without Football (even though there are the 5 games per year).  Georgetown to the ACC would make sense.

You have to think these conferences would see the value of adding some bball schools.  More diverse portfolio and brings in alittle extra $$$

[JTBMU7]

The issue is going to be when Georgetown (I would assume, it fits the ACC Mission) jumps to the ACC for All Sports. It's going to happen. They are not sitting at 15.

yup. makes them 16 team hoops and 14 team football. really bad news for the conference.

[Dreadman24]

You hit the nail on the head.  The ACC proved that you can pull the Big East apart by taking a school without Football (even though there are the 5 games per year).  Georgetown to the ACC would make sense.

You have to think these conferences would see the value of adding some bball schools.  More diverse portfolio and brings in alittle extra $$$

I think Marquette should push to get into the ACC..

[TallTitan34]

Here is the thread on the Georgetown message board:

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=26061

I like the line, "At least we are getting rid of all of the annoying schools. But that's little comfort."

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

What happened to ND & The Big East Saturdays on NBC?

[MerrittsMustache]

What becomes of the remaining BE schools?

Marquette, Villanova, Georgetown*, DePaul, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall form a new conference with a few A-10/ConfUSA/MVC teams.

Cincy - Big 12?
UConn - Wants the ACC
Louisville - Big 12? SEC?
Rutgers - ?
USF - ?

* - may go to the ACC

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

This is not good.

If (and more likely when) the Big East implosion happens, the Basketball only schools better band together tight and all make a commitment to continue to spend big $ in hoops.

If they start a basketball only conference, and schools get conservative, we will be headed for an A-10 type existence. A couple of good teams you have heard of, but not a lot of national exposure.

[Knight Commission]

All this as TV negotiations just commenced this week......

[GGGG]

What happened to ND & The Big East Saturdays on NBC?

It still might happen.  BE still has to take the best deal out there.

I think Marquette should push to get into the ACC..

Good luck with that.

[TomW1365]

The problem I have with the "not a big loss" mentality is that ND was a big name brand piece of the league. This hurts our status immediately as our contract negotiations start at the end of the month. Just look at how our basketball lineup will change as we attempt to negotiate with NBC, CBS, Fox, and anyone else who might have been interested: ND, Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU out, UCF, SMU, Houston, Temple, Memphis in. That's a big, big downgrade. The league's marketability is going down because the quality is declining, and ND probably had a bigger fanbase than any of the other teams on that list.

This is a huge loss...  The only way I can see someone thinking differently is if they are blinded by their ND hate.  Hopefully, Marquette will continue the tradition of scheduling ND as a non-conference catchup.  I'm still amazed at how such an awesome conference with our history has dismantled seemingly overnight.  

[MerrittsMustache]

This is a huge loss...  The only way I can see someone thinking differently is if they are blinded by their ND hate.  Hopefully, Marquette will continue the tradition of scheduling ND as a non-conference catchup.  I'm still amazed at how such an awesome conference with our history has dismantled seemingly overnight.  

It's a basketball-first conference that's residing in a football-first, second and third sports world.

[TallTitan34]

According to Darren Rovell:

Notre Dame is going to have to get out of Big East by 2014 the latest as NBC deal comes up in 2015 and they have to know status.

[brewcity77]

What becomes of the remaining BE schools?

My guesses:

Cincy - C-USA after Big 12 takes a pass
UConn - ACC finally relents and takes them, but only if ND will agree to move to football membership
Louisville - Big 12
Rutgers - Massive step down to the MAC after ACC says no and C-USA just doesn't make enough sense
USF - Most likely C-USA, but if FSU goes to the Big 12, I think USF gets the call to the ACC before Rutgers

[downtown85]

can't sugar coat it.  it sucks. 

[ecompt]

Dear Notre Dame,
Make the check payable to Big East Conference and good riddance. Enjoy that rivalry with Clemson and going 6-12 in the ACC every year.
Thank you.

[GGGG]

Another motivation for the ACC according to Wetzel.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/245898260420648960

"Source: Bringing in Notre Dame will allow ACC to ask for additional compensation in ESPN deal."

[jsglow]

My guesses:

Cincy - C-USA after Big 12 takes a pass
UConn - ACC finally relents and takes them, but only if ND will agree to move to football membership
Louisville - Big 12
Rutgers - Massive step down to the MAC after ACC says no and C-USA just doesn't make enough sense
USF - Most likely C-USA, but if FSU goes to the Big 12, I think USF gets the call to the ACC before Rutgers

And what does the new BEast/A-10 look like?  I'm part of the camp that has believed that a basketball only conference is our only long term alternative.  BEast back to its original mission statement.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Another motivation for the ACC according to Wetzel.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/245898260420648960

"Source: Bringing in Notre Dame will allow ACC to ask for additional compensation in ESPN deal."

Sounds like the ACC is/was very worried the Big East really was going to get a matching TV contract.  As stated several times already, it appears ESPN & the ACC are doing everything and anything possible to simply dismantle/wound the Big East.  Period.

[MerrittsMustache]

And what does the new BEast/A-10 look like?  I'm part of the camp that has believed that a basketball only conference is our only long term alternative.  BEast back to its original mission statement.

Marquette
Villanova
Georgetown
DePaul
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Xavier
SLU
Creighton?
St. Joe's?
Dayton?

[Niv Berkowitz]

The problem I have with the "not a big loss" mentality is that ND was a big name brand piece of the league. This hurts our status immediately as our contract negotiations start at the end of the month. Just look at how our basketball lineup will change as we attempt to negotiate with NBC, CBS, Fox, and anyone else who might have been interested: ND, Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU out, UCF, SMU, Houston, Temple, Memphis in. That's a big, big downgrade. The league's marketability is going down because the quality is declining, and ND probably had a bigger fanbase than any of the other teams on that list.

Yep yep and yep. I know the BEast has been trumpeting the "we've grown!" message for a couple years now and frankly, who can blame them. It's all they CAN say.

I equate this in musical terms. You have a super conference of Rush, Pearl Jam, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, R.E.M. and Kanye West. Pearl Jam and Led Zeppelin leave. You replace them with Nickelback and Creed.

Doesn't matter that you've now added a Canadian band from Vancouver (Nback) and some preacher-band from Florida and grown into new markets. The bottom line is...YOU LOST PEARL JAM AND LED ZEPPELIN REPLACED THEM WITH CREED AND NICKELBACK!!!