Rosiak Article on EWill and Mellow

[StillAWarrior]

Only if the game is well in hand.  Otherwise, the only way any player should be on the floor is if they help you win.  JJ and EWill don't do that right now...and Buzz alludes to this in the article. 

I agree completely.  I was just talking about the case where they maybe could get a couple extra minutes in a blow out...like the DePaul game.

[GOMU1104]

I agree completely.  I was just talking about the case where they maybe could get a couple extra minutes in a blow out...like the DePaul game.

Not if they didnt earn it/dont deserve it.  You shouldnt get on the court "just because..."

[Tugg Speedman]

I agree completely.  I was just talking about the case where they maybe could get a couple extra minutes in a blow out...like the DePaul game.

You mean like how Buzz put in Ewill at Louisville when we were up 18 with 5:44 to play?

[Pakuni]

I very much doubt inserting Erik and Jamail into the DePaul game any sooner would have put that game in jeopardy.
I also doubt very much that it would have done them much good either. A few extra minutes of mop-up duty against an overwhelmed opponent isn't going to make a bit of difference in their development. Their development is happening in practice every day, against better players going all out, not against a bad team that's down 30.
Also, if they're unhappy about their PT and thinking about a transfer, I don't think an extra 2-3 minutes in a lopsided game against DePaul would do anything to change that.

[Tugg Speedman]

Also, if they're unhappy about their PT and thinking about a transfer, I don't think an extra 2-3 minutes in a lopsided game against DePaul would do anything to change that.

And if this is the case, and they get put into the middle of a contested game only to get torched by the other team, how does that help development?

[Pakuni]

And if this is the case, and they get put into the middle of a contested game only to get torched by the other team, how does that help development?

I'm not sure I understand your question.
Are you somehow reading my suggestion that a few minutes against DePaul is relatively meaningless as advocacy for minutes during more closely contested games? If so, you entirely misread my point (or I wrote so poorly it wasn't understandable).

[chren21]

And if this is the case, and they get put into the middle of a contested game only to get torched by the other team, how does that help development?

It's easy to sit on the bench and say I could do this, do that.  Getting in and getting torched then sitting through the video session and getting called out by the coaches in front of all the other players can be very humbling.  That should make a motivated player want to work harder.  

[StillAWarrior]

Not if they didnt earn it/dont deserve it.  You shouldnt get on the court "just because..."

I've never advocated playing a kid that didn't earn it or doesn't deserve it.  I simply think that any player who is working hard in practice has earned/deserves playing a few minutes in garbage time.

[DaCoach]

In our last blowout (DePaul), they both did get minutes. 
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=310180269

A 30 point blowout and they get 3 and 4 minutes.

Also, in the romp against ND at home, they both played as well:
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=310100269

A 22 point blowout and they each get 2 minutes. Consider that most of the final 3-4 minutes are spent running out the clock without running game offense, I wouldn't call them teachable moments. These guys are quality schollie athletes, not Frozena. I'd guess they feel embarrassed to be put in that late in the game.

[willie warrior]

We could have played them when we were up 18 against Louisville.   

Yeah--it would not have hurt, given the outcome.

[Lennys Tap]

Yeah--it would not have hurt, given the outcome.

He hurt plenty in the one minute he played. He missed a wide open lay up, gave up an offensive rebound/put back and committed a foul in a game we lost by one.

[rocky_warrior]

It seems to me that we had a number of opportunities to get court time for Mellow and EWill in some of our blowout games.

A 22 point blowout and they each get 2 minutes. Consider that most of the final 3-4 minutes are spent running out the clock without running game offense, I wouldn't call them teachable moments. These guys are quality schollie athletes, not Frozena. I'd guess they feel embarrassed to be put in that late in the game.

You asked about court time.  I gave court time.  Now you say that it was not *teachable* court time.  I guess I need more practice hitting moving targets. 

[DaCoach]

You asked about court time.  I gave court time.  Now you say that it was not *teachable* court time.  I guess I need more practice hitting moving targets. 

Or you could merely bring reality into your comments. Both these guys were highly rated and presumably will contribute in future years. It is incumbent to get them quality time on the court in game situations. A blowout win is a perfect opportunity to give them that chance. Most coaches understand that. It seems that Buzz is unwilling to recognize that distinction. A 2 minute time bite in a 22 point blowout while we're going 4 corners teaches nothing and merely embarrasses the athlete.

[jeffreyweee]

Or you could merely bring reality into your comments. Both these guys were highly rated and presumably will contribute in future years. It is incumbent to get them quality time on the court in game situations. A blowout win is a perfect opportunity to give them that chance. Most coaches understand that. It seems that Buzz is unwilling to recognize that distinction. A 2 minute time bite in a 22 point blowout while we're going 4 corners teaches nothing and merely embarrasses the athlete.

With the progress of Otule, Gardner even Junior this year it's obvious he knows what's going on. Why don't you wait a year or two and see if they develop to your standards.

[DaCoach]

With the progress of Otule, Gardner even Junior this year it's obvious he knows what's going on. Why don't you wait a year or two and see if they develop to your standards.

Otule, Gardner and JC are getting quality time. I'd suggest that game minutes helped propel that improvement. If we wait 2 years for EWill, he'll be a senior and probably worthless as a 4 year schollie. Jamail and Williams need more meaningful minutes.

[jeffreyweee]

Otule, Gardner and JC are getting quality time. I'd suggest that game minutes helped propel that improvement. If we wait 2 years for EWill, he'll be a senior and probably worthless as a 4 year schollie. Jamail and Williams need more meaningful minutes.

Yes the minutes probably helped but they were ready to contribute and develop in game. When Junior was on the floor people were saying "We need him out there more he runs the offense well." When Ox was on the floor people were saying "Hey he's got a solid offensive game and is improving on defense." Jamail and EWill seem to make mental mistakes more often while out there. They aren't yet at the point where they can develop on the floor in a game situation. We have capable guys in front of them.

It's late so I'm not sure if that makes sense but basically I think they have to develop a bit more before floor time will benefit both MU and their development as opposed to hurting MU and helping their development.


I bet you'll see EWILL in a Fulce role next year and Jamail in a vander/junior type of minutes or role next year.