Big Ten pushing again to add another team

[dsfire]

On a light note, if we got Oral Roberts (who are also nicknamed the Golden Eagles) to join, would that be enough to get Marquette to change our names once again? 

Well, they didn't seem to have much issue with Southern Miss in CUSA 

[copious1218]

Even if they were to give some money, it still wouldn't be enough.  Look at who the b-ball only schools are: MU, DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova. 

I don't really follow Big East football but doesn't Nova have a damn good FCS team that could make the jump as well?

[spiral97]

A.) the oral roberts part was a joke..  I was just picking a golden eagle team and chose them as one of the least plausible schools on purpose

B.) BMA's response makes sense - I guess I just don't understand what would be required to add a football team.  It'd be an interesting case study to read if someone had analyzed one such school and laid out all of the barriers and costs that would need to be overcome to make it happen.

[MUSF]

A.) the oral roberts part was a joke..  I was just picking a golden eagle team and chose them as one of the least plausible schools on purpose

B.) BMA's response makes sense - I guess I just don't understand what would be required to add a football team.  It'd be an interesting case study to read if someone had analyzed one such school and laid out all of the barriers and costs that would need to be overcome to make it happen.

There is a lot required.  A helluva lot.

[Marquette65]

I leave in the Atlanta area and if you  think that Georgia and/or Fla academics are even close to a Michigan, Purd. NW, Ind, etc. you are very wrong.

BC would jump at a change to get in the Big 10. BC has a large alumni base in the Mid -West , especially the chicago area.  The Big 10 would raises their profile there.  They are completely lost on the ACC.  Most people consider the ACC to be the teams in NC ( Duke, NCState, UNC Wake etc.)  Most don't Even know that BC is in the ACC.

Missouri , however, is the most logical candidate.

[77ncaachamps]

Missouri would make sense:
-large state school
-no other prominent state school
-extends big ten into new territory

Iowa state would make sense since it'd lock up a large instate school much like michigan and Michigan state

[MU_83_florida]

BC to me makes more sense then Missouri or Iowa state in that:
       - Adds the Big 10 to the east coast market
       - BC has a hockey program that would Big 10 would dye for

[bs4173]

Missouri would make sense:
-large state school
-no other prominent state school
-extends big ten into new territory

Iowa state would make sense since it'd lock up a large instate school much like michigan and Michigan state

Aside from academics, is the Big 10 THAT much more exclusive than the Big 12? Would Mizzou have that much incentive to switch? If so, why not Kansas? That makes just as much sense. And don't say "because KU has K-State as its rival," because I'd be willing to bet that 95% of KU fans care more about beating Mizzou than K-State.

I think the Big 10 would want Mizzou, but Iowa State has more to gain--in-state rival w/ Iowa; Mizzou has a better academic reputation and facilities, so Iowa State needs the affiliation.

If they snatch a Big East school, I'd agree that Memphis makes the jump from CUSA. I don't think BC's budging.

[chapman]

BC to me makes more sense then Missouri or Iowa state in that:
       - Adds the Big 10 to the east coast market
       - BC has a hockey program that would Big 10 would dye for

Hockey conference affiliations are much different.  There is no Big Ten conference for hockey and the Big Ten teams themselves are split up.

[MUSF]

Hockey conference affiliations are much different.  There is no Big Ten conference for hockey and the Big Ten teams themselves are split up.

Yeah, Minnesota and Wisconsin are in a different hockey conference than Michigan and MSU.  BC would probably remain in the hockey conference they're in.

[South Hall Warrior]

The talk in college hockey circles is that the Big Twelven wants to make hockey a sanctioned sport.  Apparently Penn State is considering fielding a DI ice hockey team and the fear is that the Big Twelven would create its own league thereby gutting the CCHA and leaving only the small schools to fend for themselves.

Of course, I could be wrong...

[GGGG]

chapman your post is right on! except i believe it will be either mizzou or iowa st. i agree, what will the new name be? with all that excellent tradition in the big 10, do you re-name the conference? lol. you have to at least redo the logo which has an 11 "hidden" in it. it would be insane to have 12 teams and call it the big 10. how bout the Great Midwest! bring it back baby! lol

It will not be Iowa State.  ISU brings nothing to the Big Ten as far as new television markets or revenue.  And it really isn't all that large.  Hell...Central Michigan makes just as much sense.  The only reason the B10 makes this move is if the per school revenue increases by adding a 12th member.  ISU won't do that.

My guesses:  Notre Dame, Nebraska, Missouri.  If Syracuse got their football act together, they would be a decent choice.  Outside of that, I can't see anything happening.

The question was asked why Big 12 north schools would be interested in leaving.  Well, the Big 10 is more lucrative, but also there are some concerns about how much $$$ the Texas schools make when compared to the rest of the conference. Their revenue sharing agreements aren't as "socialistic" as the Big Ten.  I know that when Mack Brown floated the idea of permanently hosting the B12 championship game in Dallas because of its "central location" it raised some red flags.

[warthog-driver]

my guess is that if they realistically want 12 teams, they're going to have to look at the MAC (i.e. Northern Illinois).

Ain't no way they take any MAC team

[GGGG]

A team on the western side of Big Ten terrirtory makes the most sense.  They could divide into two divisions looking something like this.

EAST
Penn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
WEST
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska/Missouri

I think you would need to switch IL and NW with UM and MSU.  No way you could have Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State in the same division.  As long as you protect the UM/OSU rivalry like the SEC has done with some of their rivalries, that's OK.

(I know that isn't geographically accurate, but thats OK)

[Warrior of Law]

The expansion of the Big Ten would most logically be for Missouri.  Two reasons: St. Louis and Kansas City.  Getting those TV markets would help the Big Ten Network reach a significantly larger audience.

Cincinnatti and Pittsburgh would be distant 2nd to Missouri, but it would fit their agenda in terms of developing TV markets.

[MUSF]

I think you would need to switch IL and NW with UM and MSU.  No way you could have Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State in the same division.  As long as you protect the UM/OSU rivalry like the SEC has done with some of their rivalries, that's OK.

(I know that isn't geographically accurate, but thats OK)

I don't know, if you add Nebraska or Missouri, the west division matches up pretty favorably with the east.  A football top 3 of Iowa, Wisconsin, Neb/Mis matches up well with Ohio St, Penn St, UM.  Especially with UM's recent struggles.  I think you would want to protect rivalries even if it is a little unbalanced.  You can't put UM and MSU in seperate divisions, same goes for UM and OSU.

[GGGG]

I don't know, if you add Nebraska or Missouri, the west division matches up pretty favorably with the east.  A football top 3 of Iowa, Wisconsin, Neb/Mis matches up well with Ohio St, Penn St, UM.  Especially with UM's recent struggles.  I think you would want to protect rivalries even if it is a little unbalanced.  You can't put UM and MSU in seperate divisions, same goes for UM and OSU.

You can protect the UM/OSU rivalry if they are in different divisions.  The SEC has a number of cross division rivalries that are played every year (Tennessee v. Alabama for instance.)

[muwarrior87]

Doesn't Nova have a D2 football team that is competing in the post season right now?

[akmarq]

Getting into the East Coast by New York would be huge for the Big Ten...and Rutgers could compete well in the Big Ten since they are so soft in so many sports. 

I don't know a lot about the E. Coast market, but does getting Rutgers really make a splash there?  They aren't even the most important basketball school in NY/NJ.  It seems like BC would be a better choice for grabbing that market.

[GOMU1104]

Doesn't Nova have a D2 football team that is competing in the post season right now?

1-AA (FCS) along with Georgetown. Both teams are in the Patriot League

[augoman]

Rutgers wouldn't be a bad choice, but prob not the best.  They did play in the first ever intercollegiate football game, (against Harvard I think) and have a nice football program.  They would compete favorably with about half of the b10 basketball teams, and (as previously stated) they would expand the market for the b10 network to the east- a pretty healthy market. 
On another note, I no longer hear the rumor that Northwestern is moving to the IV league, and the b10 will actually contain 10 teams again.  interesting.

[MARQKC]

 Then again, I guess Vanderbilt is the biggest oddball in the SEC because they have academic standards, so maybe the Big Ten should just take them.

LOL!!! +1K

[Goatherder]

Rutgers wouldn't be a bad choice, but prob not the best.  They did play in the first ever intercollegiate football game, (against Harvard I think) and have a nice football program.  They would compete favorably with about half of the b10 basketball teams, and (as previously stated) they would expand the market for the b10 network to the east- a pretty healthy market. 
On another note, I no longer hear the rumor that Northwestern is moving to the IV league, and the b10 will actually contain 10 teams again.  interesting.

Sometimes the people here seem to let their hatred of Wisconsin cloud their judgment.  People have a real bug up their ass about Wisconsin.  We lost a basketball game we expected to lose.  Big deal.  We'll get them next year.  And some Wisconsin fans are a--holes.  Big deal.  No shortage of those in the world, inside and outside of Wisconsin.  Get over it.  And some people look at these things through the short-sighted eyes of a sports fan.  Here is some reality:

1.  The Big Ten may or may not expand, but it does not have to, and it is not going away.  They'll be just fine. 

2.  The Big Ten is only secondarily an athletic conference.  It is a group of excellent universities, some of the best in the nation.  Someone here bragged about his MBA degree from Harvard.  There are programs at various Big Ten universities that are more highly regarded than Harvard's, including the MBA program at at least one of them.  People may resent Wisconsin and the comments of the people who went there or did not go there and be proud of their Marquette degrees.  Great.  But there is no denying that Wisconsin is an excellent university, regardless of whether a particular football player is smart or not.  There is really not another comparable conference.  The ACC and the PAC-10 each have some excellent universities and some mediocre ones.  The SEC has Vanderbilt and 11 mediocre or worse ones. 

So the BT is not going to admit any school that is not excellent academically.  Notre Dame was a stretch.  Somebody like Memphis is out of the question, no matter how many games they win or how big their television market.  Don't know about Rutgers, but nobody is getting in strictly on the strength of their athletic program.  Penn State was allowed in only on the condition that they boost their academic standing, and one of the primary incentives for them to join was exactly that.  As soon as PSU joined, they started fundraising for a new library so that they would not be 11th in the Big Ten. 

3.  Northwestern is going nowhere, and the rumors that they are originate from idiots.  Northwestern does not want to give up the exposure and money they get from being part of the Big Ten.  The Big Ten does not want to give up the connection with one of the country's best universities.  Athletic success is nice, but unnecessary, and only the people whose reading habits begin and end with the sportspage think differently. 

All the BT universities are solid in most fields in excellent in some.  So that limits the candidates. I do not know about the specifics, and whether Missouri or Iowa State would be good enough, but expansion, if any, will not be based solely or even mostly on either location or athletic success. 

[MUSF]

-Goatherder

B10 expansion is being pushed for hard by athletic programs within the conference.  People like Joe Paterno and other respected coaches and ADs believe the conference needs to extend the football schedule to remain competitive in bowl games and relevant in the eyes of poll voters and recruits.  This isn't a conspiracy being developed by Big Ten haters.

I, like many on this board I assume, am a lifetime big 10 fan.  I love Big Ten football and root for most Big Ten teams in bball when they aren't playing MU.  Some teams have worse fans than others but that is the same in every conference.  I have no doubt that the B10 will consider academics when they look to expand but I believe it is only a matter of time.  I hope they make the right choice.  As a fan, I don't like the idea of expanding too far outside the midwest.  That means no Rutgers or Boise St.  I also would hate to see a school like Memphis in the B10.  That is probably just personal bias but they seem like a lesser school and a shady program.  I think the best options, from a fan's perspective, are ND, Missouri, Nebraska, and maybe Iowa St. 

Who knows what will happen but what is a message board like this for if not wild speculation and arguing with strangers about topics most people don't give 2 sh**s about.

[Goatherder]

Who knows what will happen but what is a message board like this for if not wild speculation and arguing with strangers about topics most people don't give 2 sh**s about.

Touche!