Cadougan likely out for the year

[KipsBayEagle]

What about Erik Williams?  I haven't heard a lot about him this off season.  Is it possible that we could have Buycks bring the ball up, and have Williams play the 2?

[Blackhat]

Early word on E Will is he is long and talented but really raw.   Some have been saying he will be a player in the future but not this year. 

[jficke13]

I liked the chicken little post. I'm still waiting with bated breath for this board to give a measured response to something. Overreaction to both positive and negatives seems to be the norm.

[groove]

Has anyone blamed Tom Crean and the tackling dummy yet?  No, well let me be the first then.



Honestly, my expectations were pretty low this year and though injuries suck, I'd rather have it this year then during a year where expectations were high.  On the flip side, I was really looking forward to seeing what Buzz could do on the coaching front this year with his guys, no built in NCAA team to inherit, etc.  That now has an asterick on it for this year without an essential cog.

same here, my epectations were low to begin with also. Will be interesting to see how Buzz makes adjustments throughout the year.

[Golden Avalanche]

I liked the chicken little post. I'm still waiting with bated breath for this board to give a measured response to something. Overreaction to both positive and negatives seems to be the norm.

I'd say take a breath before your career is killed before it gets started.

Batter up, young man. Show us the path to measured response.

[MUfan2]

Copious.
I think everyone would like to get Butler on the starting 5, but I can't see how he can be the SG. I think it's more likely that we see a starting lineup of Acker/Cubillan/Butler/Maymonne/Hayward as DSfire suggests.  Then the lineup will shift as the new guys gain experience.  Hopefully, DJO and Buycks will develop early and play big minutes for us.

Anyone who thinks Acker and Cubillan are going to be starting over Buckys and DJO, you're nuts.  Not going to happen.  Experienced or not, the talent gap between the two is huge.

[strotty]

I don't like the thought of Buycks having to move to point guard.  He'll lose a lot of his spot-up opportunities on the wing.  Acker isn't going to be that big of a difference on the offensive end because of the points already said (passing, experience, etc.) but the scoring will obviously be down.  Buycks, Hayward, and Butler are going to have to carry this team offensively.

Defensively, this KILLS Marquette.  Acker is pesky and plays well when on his man, but his size (not just height) is a huge liability and point guards are going to pound the lane this season.  I was really looking forward to seeing Cadougan play a Levance Fields-type defense and just out-physical his opponent over the course of the game.

1. Acker
2. Buycks
3. Hayward
4. Maymon
5. Otule

B1. Butler
B2. DJO
B3. Cubillan
B4. Williams
B5. Mbao (depending on a lot of things he will move up this list)

12th in the Big East would be a huge accomplishment.  This should also speed up DJO's progression.

[Ready2Fly]

IMO, Acker would have beaten out Cadougon anyway-----MA has successful BE and NCAA experience-----you just don't sit that experience on the bench for any significant amount of time.

Makes very few mistakes and hits the trey (44% as a soph and 44% in the gauntlet last year against those six top 12 teams)----also had a 2.5 to 1 assist to TO ratio.

Not a great PG, but better than your average Div 1 PG.

Define "successful."

Every starting Big East PG is better than your average Div 1 PG.  That's not exactly a high hurdle.

[Murffieus]

Did you guys know that in those last 8 games we only gave up 3-4 points more with Acker than we had in the previous 20+ games with DJ-----I think that was to be expected since 6 of those 8 games were played against top 10 teams----and 3 of them were #1 seeds (that's top 4 nationally) in the NCAA.

So defending with Acker at PG was hardly a disaster.

[KipsBayEagle]

Even though erik williams may be raw, I would love to see him start the 2 spot and have buycks bring the ball up.  Theres no better way to learn then to get gametime experience, and since essentially this season we will be playing to develop our young talent and prepare ourselves to maybe make a run in a year or two, I don't mind living through the growing pains of have a sg that may not quite have the experience yet to be as effective as he could be.  He may be raw, but hes top 100 talent, and you can't let a guy like that ride the bench, especially with the situation we are in now.

[T-Bone]

I hope he picks between Brian Ching's and Jose Contreras' doctor.  

(Contreras problems this year were not related to the Achilles he ruptured at the end of 2008, he's a 50 year old trying to throw a 90 mph fastball with a dead arm)

Rest up, rehab well, and we'll have 4 years of Junior to watch.

[nyg]

Need help with the open scholarships now after this crazy month.  With Roseboro, Bowen, McMorrow and Clark(extremely possible) gone.  Acker back and Junior headed for a red-shirt year.  What are we now for 2101 and 2011?

[copious1218]

Need help with the open scholarships now after this crazy month.  With Roseboro, Bowen, McMorrow and Clark(extremely possible) gone.  Acker back and Junior headed for a red-shirt year.  What are we now for 2101 and 2011?

Likely on schollie next year (2010-2011):
DJO
Cadougan
Buycks
E. Williams
Butler
Fulce (if healthy)
Maymon
Otule
Mbao

Verbal Commit:  J. Jones

So we still have three open scholarships for next season - I do not follow recruiting as well as others so I'm not sure who might be in the works besides Vander Blue, Cameron Clark, and Desrosiers

[Kramerica]

Need help with the open scholarships now after this crazy month.  With Roseboro, Bowen, McMorrow and Clark(extremely possible) gone.  Acker back and Junior headed for a red-shirt year.  What are we now for 2101 and 2011?

Cadougan's injury doesn't change anything for next year, we still have three open scholarships for next year.  We have four open spots total for next year with Hayward, Cubes and Acker leaving and Roseboro's scholarship left unfilled. One is taken for next year with Jones, that leaves three open spots.  Hopefully one for Blue, Desrosiers and another top 100 recruit.

[dsfire]

Looks like the question about 2010-11 is answered... we should have 3 more scholarships the following year with Fulce, Butler and Buycks completing their eligibility/graduating and no one committed at the moment.

[mosarsour]

Another bright side to this (if you want to call it that), is that we can medically redshirt Cadougan for the season and he'll have an extra year of eligibility.

Just trying to make lemonade guys!

[ecompt]

From Murff:

Did you guys know that in those last 8 games we only gave up 3-4 points more with Acker than we had in the previous 20+ games with DJ-----I think that was to be expected since 6 of those 8 games were played against top 10 teams----and 3 of them were #1 seeds (that's top 4 nationally) in the NCAA.

So defending with Acker at PG was hardly a disaster.

Murff, those figures are skewed (as usual, you only look at stats) by the fact that one of those games was against a St. John's team that scored 45 points in a game in which they had one of the worst halves in the history of basketball and another was against a slow, deliberate Utah State team that wanted to keep the score in the 50s. Mo tries hard but he and Cubes are going to get eaten alive by virtually every other BE backcourt. 

[SCdem@MU]

I liked the chicken little post. I'm still waiting with bated breath for this board to give a measured response to something. Overreaction to both positive and negatives seems to be the norm.

Thank you for putting things into perspective. Clearly having major injuries to your two best guards and having a major recruit for 2010 get arrested for rape is a fantastic week for Marquette Basketball.

[Murffieus]

From Murff:

Did you guys know that in those last 8 games we only gave up 3-4 points more with Acker than we had in the previous 20+ games with DJ-----I think that was to be expected since 6 of those 8 games were played against top 10 teams----and 3 of them were #1 seeds (that's top 4 nationally) in the NCAA.

So defending with Acker at PG was hardly a disaster.

Murff, those figures are skewed (as usual, you only look at stats) by the fact that one of those games was against a St. John's team that scored 45 points in a game in which they had one of the worst halves in the history of basketball and another was against a slow, deliberate Utah State team that wanted to keep the score in the 50s. Mo tries hard but he and Cubes are going to get eaten alive by virtually every other BE backcourt. 

ECOMPT----did you know that with Acker we held St John's to 11 fewer points than with DJ at PG----also did you know that we held NOVA to 20+ fewer point than with DJ just a few weeks prior?

Then playing against just six of the best teams in the USA we were only gave up about 6 ppg more?

[StillAWarrior]

I don't think we should recruit kids from Canada any more.  They're obviously high risk for injuries.

[MUfan12]

Thank you for putting things into perspective. Clearly having major injuries to your two best guards and having a major recruit for 2010 get arrested for rape is a fantastic week for Marquette Basketball.

The reason I posted that is you tend to be one of the more alarmist posters on this board. Here's my reasoned response-

First, DJO's has never been reported as a major injury. Second, Cadougan was not going to start this year. He was behind Buycks already, and if you think Mo has a hard time defending, Junior was going to have even more trouble. All this means is Mo and Cubi have to step up. They have enough cover between DJO, Buycks, Butler, Acker, and Cubillan to cover the guard spots. We also have more talent at the wing/post spots to help make up the difference.

The Clark situation is terrible, but it did not happen here. As long as it is not the start of a trend, in the long run it's not going to damage the program. Especially with the amount of talent Buzz is on for 2010.

I'd argue that losing to SLU and Western Michigan in one week was a hell of a lot worse than this.

[Pakuni]

Thank you for putting things into perspective. Clearly having major injuries to your two best guards and having a major recruit for 2010 get arrested for rape is a fantastic week for Marquette Basketball.

Might I suggest that a) it's premature to declare a couple of guys that never have played a second of D-I basketball MU's "best" guards and b) DJO being out with a sprain all the way up to when practice begins is hardly a "major" injury?

No, nothing alarmist here.

By the way, which of MU's 2010 recruits are minor?

[Hards Alumni]

season, meet toilet.

[ecompt]

You're right, Murff, the substitution of Acker for DJ lured St. John's into 8% percent first-half shooting. And the Nova game was AT Nova on a night when they shot like 60 percent on threes in the second half. Will you please stop analyzing games just by looking at stats? You are way too smart for that.

[MUDPT]

I'm a graduate physical therapist from Marquette.  So I'll try and sort through things.  If you have any questions, please let me know.

1. Torn Achilles for Cadougan.  Probably random and has nothing to do with the training program, unless he was doing something specific with a lot of weight for a lot of repetitions. 

2. DJO- from what I'm gathering on the board, he probably has a sprained ankle/ strained peroneal tendon unit.  Normal individuals would hobble around for a few days.  For DJO, he's in a walking boot and will be rehabbed accordingly.  Now I'm remembering Todd's article, that said he would be out 6? weeks, so probably a pretty significant ankle or foot sprain.

3. Fulce/ McMorrow- not sure what is going on there.  Stress fractures always bother me, because I think they are preventable, but who knows what was going on before he got to MU.

4.  O'Tule- like someone said, broken feet are also random, when someone lands on it. Big guys are also known for brittle feet bones, see Yao Ming.

As for the training staff as a whole, it was impressive from what I saw in last season's YouTube video.  I don't agree with the rehab or training of athletic trainers/ strength and conditioning guys 100% of the time.  If you ever want to watch how not to train someone, watch the Biggest Loser.  Guarantee someone comes down with a pretty significant orthopedic injury in that show every season. In conclusion,  most injuries are random, but things that don't heal or stress fractures may be from pushing too hard.