Cadougan likely out for the year

[Golden Avalanche]

+1. I know injuries are a part of any sport and we may just be running into a stretch where we've had some bad luck with them but if this trend continues, there has to be something that can be done.  I'm not in the medical field nor to I pretend to know much about it other than what the average athlete knows so if anyone who may be more knowledgeable could shed some light on things that could be done to alleviate all of the injuries we seem to be picking up in training, it would be much appreciated.

Pre-season injuries last year to McMorrow, Otule, and Fulce. Anyone else?

Pre-season injuries this year to Odom, Cadougan.....someone else will fall before MSOE.

What a unnatural carnal knowledgeing mess the last five weeks has been for the program.

[MUfan12]

The thought of Mo Acker playing 30 minutes a game at point just caused me to throw up in my mouth a little bit.  Its going to be an ugly season. 

He was never going to. Nor was Cadougan.

Buycks was going to start from the get-go. They are really going to need good minutes from Acker and Cubillan, and DJO needs to have a full recovery.

Also, there's more talent on the wings/inside than we've had in awhile. It should help mitigate some of the lack of depth in the backcourt.

Obviously it's not good news, but it ain't a death sentence by any means.

[chapman]

This seems all to coincidental, is it time for Buzz to look at his off season conditioning program? 

Otule and Fulce, newcomers under Buzz both were injured last year.  This year we have DJO and Cadougan well before the first practice.  It's hard to think of achilles injuries as conditioning related, but it happened to both of them, and newcomers under Buzz seem to drop like flies. 

We're going to have a thin roster just like last year, only there aren't three seniors that can play 38 minutes per game each to carry us.  Buycks is going to have to play well enough to be BE Newcomer of the Year or it's going to be a long season.

[Jay Bee]

There's probably something in the character of our players that makes them get hurt easily.  I blame Buzz.  Granted, I follow offseason developments and recruiting much more now than I did in the past, but we have to be in the top 5 of all schools for player developments over the past two years.  I don't think it's a direct result of any one thing, but man I wish it would settle down a bit...

Are there other programs with this level of injuries and other 'odd' player movements?
Broken/messed up feet.. OK, I can understand... but... split kneecaps, James returns in the tourney seemingly out of the blue, Liam's career ends before it even starts, Junior's freshman season is gone (what does this mean to his future as well?)... but, even before that.. Jerel hurt at the end of the year a couple seasons ago... Bam Bam Mbakwe's late season arrival after injury... then you add to the injuries things like Mbakwe running off as classes are about to start, Roseboro, Clark, Bowen, Acker... what's next?!  Hopefully we sign some great recruits in November.  That almost seems like the easy part of it - then the waiting begins to see if they'll make it onto the court ever.

[Blackhat]

Be grateful for the guys we still have healthy.   It was going to be a rough year anyway, I'm just disappointed Cadougan won't get a year's of game experience in.  

If we're sitting here next year with two newcomers out early again then I think Buzz and Todd definitely should look at if we should be easing the freshman into more intense workouts rather than just dumping them straight into it(re-evaluate their program).

[Litehouse]

It's hard to think of achilles injuries as conditioning related, but it happened to both of them, and newcomers under Buzz seem to drop like flies.

DJO's injury isn't an achilles.  I think that was a mix up in a different thread when someone reportedly overheard talk about an injured achilles and surgery, which now turned out to be Cadougan, not DJO.

[TallTitan34]

AHHHHHHHHHH! %@*%$*^@*$^  



For real?

[SCdem@MU]

This has been the single worst week in the history of Marquette basketball. Unbelievable.

We may finish dead last in the BE this year.

[Thomas' Danish Delight]

Wow...we must have the WORST luck with injuries.

How is Marquette Madness gonna go down now?  Is Rob Frozena gonna start in the scrimmage?!

[goldeneagles09]

What is going on with the offseason injuries?? It's a shame that it took him so long to get cleared. He probably was pushing himself/was pushed too hard to try & catch up to the rest of the bunch. Damn shame.

[copious1218]

Is this what we should expect to see this year now? (until DJO comes back)

Starters
PG - Buycks
SG - Butler
SF - Hayward
PF - Maymon
C - Otule

Bench
PG - Acker
SG - Cubillan
SF - E. Williams
PF - Fulce*
C - Mbao

* If healthy

[AlumKCof93]

Butler - SG?  What?  Acker will start at PG with Buycks potentially the SG. 

[MUfan12]

This has been the single worst week in the history of Marquette basketball. Unbelievable.

We may finish dead last in the BE this year.

[dsfire]

Is this what we should expect to see this year now? (until DJO comes back)

Starters
PG - Buycks
SG - Butler
SF - Hayward
PF - Maymon
C - Otule

Bench
PG - Acker
SG - Cubillan
SF - E. Williams
PF - Fulce*
C - Mbao

* If healthy

Different people have different opinions on whether Acker starts or not at the beginning of the season, even before these injuries.  It sounds like Buzz likes Maymon on the wing (Rosiak's article said he may even slide down to SG at times), which makes me think you've probably got Hayward and Maymon flip-flopped.  Also, Mbao needs to be cleared by the amateurism committee yet.

Cubes is a bit of a question mark at this point, in terms of whether he's got the offense we need at SG.  If he plays like last year, probably not.  Otherwise, it's entirely possible we start the season with Acker/Cubes/Butler/Maymon/Hayward

[Daniel]

Right to clear this all up, I saw DJO with a boot on sometime Wednesday morning, then yesterday a friend saw a player with a boot on talking about having to have achilles surgery, so I assumed it had to be DJO because how many booted players could there be on one team in a 2 day window? Apparently that's not a safe assumption to make.

This is unfortunate news, will Cadougan be able to come back from this strong next year?

You never know.  I ruptured mine playing volleyball and it was never the same.  Long time ago, so hoepfully surgical techiques are much better, but a complete rupture (which is sounds like) is tough.  The tendon is like a stalk of celery, and usually Achilles tendon injurie are a 30 - 40 year old injury - becuase the tendon dries up and gets more brittle as we get older.

This will be a tough one for Junior - and only time will tell.  I pray for the best for him.

[copious1218]

AlumKC - I know Butler is not a SG, but he should be in the starting lineup and it would be nice to not be playing with a 6'6" center in hayward or maymon if possible.

dsfire - I forgot about Mbao's amateur issue, thanks for the reminder.

[pillardean]

This is unfortunate news, will Cadougan be able to come back from this strong next year?

I remember, when I was huge into soccer, watching an MLS game in which Brian Ching ruptured his Achilles tendon by just accelerating.  My dad also ruptured his walking up steps and land weird on one.

Anyway I remembered Ching ruptured his so I just Wiki'd him and found that he ruptured his in August 2003, during the season (A month before Junior).  He missed the rest of the year.  In 2004 he came back and ended up getting Comeback Player of the Year and was also elected to MLS Best XI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Ching

So it is possible for Junior to return good and healthy.  Redshirt him and have him healthy and dynamic for a year.  
(I figured we all needed SOMETHING positive on here.)

[AlumKCof93]

Copious.
I think everyone would like to get Butler on the starting 5, but I can't see how he can be the SG. I think it's more likely that we see a starting lineup of Acker/Cubillan/Butler/Maymonne/Hayward as DSfire suggests.  Then the lineup will shift as the new guys gain experience.  Hopefully, DJO and Buycks will develop early and play big minutes for us.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Has anyone blamed Tom Crean and the tackling dummy yet?  No, well let me be the first then.



Honestly, my expectations were pretty low this year and though injuries suck, I'd rather have it this year then during a year where expectations were high.  On the flip side, I was really looking forward to seeing what Buzz could do on the coaching front this year with his guys, no built in NCAA team to inherit, etc.  That now has an asterick on it for this year without an essential cog.

[pillardean]

By no means am I blaming anyone or jumping off a cliff, but at what point do you start to assess the conditioning program and trainers?

I know these are 19-21 year old kids, but with the frequency at which all these injuries seem to happen, you have to think there could be an effect.

I think you have to start to question the drills for incoming freshmen.  I mean, the kids go from high school/juco to be thrown into a hellfire of workouts two-three times a day--got that assumption from the links about the workouts earlier this month.

I know for a fact my body wouldn't be able to handle it.  At least take a look at it.  Discuss the positives AND negatives and weigh to see if its worth it.  From what I hear we have a darn good PT program here (We better I'm helpin' the woman through it), do some digging and research.  Are these all just one time freak accidents?  Or is there a coorelation somehow?  

[DJO's Pump Fake]

If we end up starting Acker and Cubes we are in deep &*%$..........Buycks needs to start with Acker now.  Hopefully DJO heals and we can get him off the bench for the early games to get his feet wet.

But if we start Acker and Cubes like the previous poster thought we would be screwed.....

[hdog1017]

I feel really bad for the kid.  It seemed like he waited an extremely long time waiting to see if he would be cleared to play, and then this happens to him. 

[Murffieus]

The thought of Mo Acker playing 30 minutes a game at point just caused me to throw up in my mouth a little bit.  Its going to be an ugly season. 

IMO, Acker would have beaten out Cadougon anyway-----MA has successful BE and NCAA experience-----you just don't sit that experience on the bench for any significant amount of time.

Makes very few mistakes and hits the trey (44% as a soph and 44% in the gauntlet last year against those six top 12 teams)----also had a 2.5 to 1 assist to TO ratio.

Not a great PG, but better than your average Div 1 PG.

[mviale]

+1 Murf.  Got the feeling that Cadougan had more to learn after playing with James.

[Kramerica]

IMO, Acker would have beaten out Cadougon anyway-----MA has successful BE and NCAA experience-----you just don't sit that experience on the bench for any significant amount of time.

Makes very few mistakes and hits the trey (44% as a soph and 44% in the gauntlet last year against those six top 12 teams)----also had a 2.5 to 1 assist to TO ratio.

Not a great PG, but better than your average Div 1 PG.

Except that Mo Acker can't defend the bigger guards in the BEast.  That was preventing him from playing significant minutes last year and really hurt us in the games without DJ.