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[brewcity77]

Question about TO pct: It doesn't take into account the amount of time a player  actually has the basketball in his hands, does it?

Here's the quick rundown as I understand it. Jay Bee can correct if I'm off on any of this, but I think it will explain it:

• Usage Rate: The number of possessions that end with that player. This includes a possession ending via a made shot, a shot that is rebounded by the other team, drawing a foul and going to the free throw line, a turnover, an offensive foul (also leading to a turnover), a held ball going to the other team, basically anything where the possession ends and the opposing team gets the ball. So if a player is involved in 40 offensive possessions, makes 4 shots from the field, misses 2 that are rebounded by the defense, goes to the free throw line 1 time, and turns it over one time (8 combined possessions) he would have a 20% usage rate. This assumes the other 30 possessions end with his teammates doing one of those things.
• Turnover Rate: The percentage of an individual's possessions that end in a turnover. So in the above example, the player turned it over once in 8 possessions, giving him a 12.5% turnover rate. This is different from team turnover rate, which takes all turnovers compared against all offensive possessions.

[Its DJOver]

A lot of those came off switches.  The better argument might be whether MU switched too much, leaving Ben on the perimeter and Chase on Kalkbrenner.

Yep, Ben played well against Kalk, Chase played well against Neal.  Ben was woefully exposed against Neal, and anyone not named Ben was bad against Kalk. Only times that happened were when a switch happened or when Kalk would just straight up beat Royce down the floor.

[MU82]

Here's the quick rundown as I understand it. Jay Bee can correct if I'm off on any of this, but I think it will explain it:

• Usage Rate: The number of possessions that end with that player. This includes a possession ending via a made shot, a shot that is rebounded by the other team, drawing a foul and going to the free throw line, a turnover, an offensive foul (also leading to a turnover), a held ball going to the other team, basically anything where the possession ends and the opposing team gets the ball. So if a player is involved in 40 offensive possessions, makes 4 shots from the field, misses 2 that are rebounded by the defense, goes to the free throw line 1 time, and turns it over one time (8 combined possessions) he would have a 20% usage rate. This assumes the other 30 possessions end with his teammates doing one of those things.
• Turnover Rate: The percentage of an individual's possessions that end in a turnover. So in the above example, the player turned it over once in 8 possessions, giving him a 12.5% turnover rate. This is different from team turnover rate, which takes all turnovers compared against all offensive possessions.

Thanks.  Again, I don't think Gold is a turnover machine. As a Marquette basketball fan, I simply don't think him driving into a lane filled with defenders is the best recipe for a successful possession.

[brewcity77]

Thanks.  Again, I don't think Gold is a turnover machine. As a Marquette basketball fan, I simply don't think him driving into a lane filled with defenders is the best recipe for a successful possession.

I don't disagree, though that was also the case with Joplin and after the past few weeks that doesn't scare me as much. We have seen Ben put it on the floor and get to the rim in the past. If we can spread teams out and he has a mismatch, I'm okay with him taking that chance, but I agree it's not good against a packed lane.

[Newsdreams]

Like in Joplin's case I believe Ben driving wouldn't be happening if Shaka didn't want it to happen.

[MU82]

Fair points, brewski and Newsie.

[Viper]

A lot of those came off switches.  The better argument might be whether MU switched too much, leaving Ben on the perimeter and Chase on Kalkbrenner.

I've never cared for the Ben on perimeter D. A good pg chews that up. Maybe Shaka saw something where he felt the disruption was worth it.

[tower912]

I've never cared for the Ben on perimeter D. A good pg chews that up. Maybe Shaka saw something where he felt the disruption was worth it.

Nope.  It is just his system.   There have been games (Maryland comes to mind) where Ben and Joplin stayed on the bigs more.  They switched more against Creighton, IMO to never give Ashworth space or let him breathe.  1-13 from 3.

[MU82]

I've never cared for the Ben on perimeter D. A good pg chews that up. Maybe Shaka saw something where he felt the disruption was worth it.

Gold is actually quite good at it, as was Oso. The trouble comes if the other team has a very tall center with some ability. Against most teams, it works pretty darn well, which is why Shaka keeps doing it. And it ended up OK against Creighton, too, as their perimeter players (especially Ashworth) were obviously bothered by the many different defenders who went at them.