Dribble Dribble Dribble

[OffTheGlass]

And here I thought it was Howard, but it is Wojo's lack of creativity as I watch Carton dribble until we make a bad pass or are forced to shoot before shot clock hits zero.  Wojo has no off-ball movement. Why not set some screens? When we do pass the ball, it's simply going through the motions instead of squaring up or looking to attack.

[StillWarriors]

The limited motion, when we have any at all, is 25 feet from the basket.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Our offense is ranked in the top 25 in the country.

Offense was not the problem tonight

[Billy Hoyle]

Our offense is ranked in the top 25 in the country.

Offense was not the problem tonight

The offense turned it over 17 times though

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The offense turned it over 17 times though

That's more than fair.  I should have said offense minus turnovers was not the problem tonight

[4everwarriors]

Der tired, hey?

[Marquette4life]

That's more than fair.  I should have said offense minus turnovers was not the problem tonight

pretty sure the turnovers come from a lack of movement and forced passes into tight windows which are created from lack of fluidity on offense

[OffTheGlass]

The turnovers are from lack of good passing lanes and guys not moving. Not Carton's fault when he wants to drive and a guy sits on the wing and either doesn't clear out. At the very least get your butt in the corner to make it more difficult to help defensively.

I liked the zone D. Nova struggled a bit early with it but we didn't capitalize on the other end.

[ATL MU Warrior]

The turnovers are from lack of good passing lanes and guys not moving. Not Carton's fault when he wants to drive and a guy sits on the wing and either doesn't clear out. At the very least get your butt in the corner to make it more difficult to help defensively.

I liked the zone D. Nova struggled a bit early with it but we didn't capitalize on the other end.

The zone D was garbage. I have no idea why you would ever zone a team that can hit 3s from all positions.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The zone D was garbage. I have no idea why you would ever zone a team that can hit 3s from all positions.

He has used the zone in past seasons to beat Nova. Zone or man D tonight we're both garbage.  Man was even worse in my opinion. So late to the ball in both on rotations and Theo out top chasing.  WTf?  Ughh.

[MarquetteDano]

The zone D was garbage. I have no idea why you would ever zone a team that can hit 3s from all positions.

In the first half it was better than the man.  I think they scored like 5 points in 8-9 possessions.

Second half was a different story with the zone.  Wright adjusted,  and the zone got torched.

[Warrior1969]

to many ball stoppers, way to much dribbling.  Nova makes two passes and gets a wide open look.   15 individual turnovers???   Can we dribble the ball?   Its like we are dribbling a square ball???

[WarriorFan]

Wojo's "offense" requires 3 dribble handoffs 25 feet from the bucket while wasting shot clock before the offense collapses and it's up to somebody to finally do something.  It is the most predictable, most easily defensible system ever.  No screens, no rolls, no cuts, backdoor cuts are strictly prohibited and everyone must end up within 3 feet of where they started.

Seriously Wojo - this is a talented group.  Throw out the ball and let them play. 

Cain was the only one who - in the first half - seemed to screw the system and just play basketball.  Obviously Wojo's halftime adjustment was to reel him in.

[OffTheGlass]

My point on zone is that it was effective for  the first 2-3 possessions but then get out of it. I think it can disrupt a team's momentum but then he stayed in it till it fell apart.

WarriorFan dead on with your comments.

[tower912]

He has used the zone in past seasons to beat Nova. Zone or man D tonight we're both garbage.  Man was even worse in my opinion. So late to the ball in both on rotations and Theo out top chasing.  WTf?  Ughh.

Because Jay wanted Theo out top chasing.    Nova doesn't run plays, they have concepts.    Whoever Theo was guarding was going to set the screen out top.    All night.    They wanted Theo out from under the basket.     Theo switches onto Gillespie, win Nova.   Theo hedges, turns Gillespie and returns to his guy near the the 3 point line, win Nova.   

[Dr. Blackheart]

Because Jay wanted Theo out top chasing.    Nova doesn't run plays, they have concepts.    Whoever Theo was guarding was going to set the screen out top.    All night.    They wanted Theo out from under the basket.     Theo switches onto Gillespie, win Nova.   Theo hedges, turns Gillespie and returns to his guy near the the 3 point line, win Nova.

Yep. Theo -20 yesterday. He is good match with a Potter, not most of the Big East teams to date. Very exposed yesterday.

[vogue65]

Wojo's "offense" requires 3 dribble handoffs 25 feet from the bucket while wasting shot clock before the offense collapses and it's up to somebody to finally do something.  It is the most predictable, most easily defensible system ever.  No screens, no rolls, no cuts, backdoor cuts are strictly prohibited and everyone must end up within 3 feet of where they started.

Seriously Wojo - this is a talented group.  Throw out the ball and let them play. 

Cain was the only one who - in the first half - seemed to screw the system and just play basketball.  Obviously Wojo's halftime adjustment was to reel him in.

I like your take, BUT?
Is it the system, players, coach, game plan, fatigue, confidence, experience, or competition?I
I think they try and play too fast, it looks like stress related nervousness.
But, I'm not a basketball expert like you guys, just an observer/fan.

[tower912]

Some things.    Again with this group of players not playing together much.    Second, this is a different offense than Wojo has run in the past.   Even the guys with experience are in new roles.     This year is more of a 3 out- 2 in versus the 4 out that he has run in the last few years.    Starting with Theo down low and Garcia at the high block.    After Garcia sets the pick, he generally flares, but he and DJ aren't quite in sync yet.      With different driving angles and only middling 3 pt shooters on the wings, the man defense is generally in help position to take away drives, not spread out to take away the 3 pt shot.   Plus, Garcia/Lewis defender is still near the key.   With no driving lanes, standing around ensues, and then handoffs and then more standing around.   

So, new players in a new-ish offense that Wojo is using to adapt to his personnel.    It would help if Lewis or Garcia got hot from the wing 3 so that MU could run more 4 out.    Right now, the defense wants them to shoot 3's.

[vogue65]

Some things.    Again with this group of players not playing together much.    Second, this is a different offense than Wojo has run in the past.   Even the guys with experience are in new roles.     This year is more of a 3 out- 2 in versus the 4 out that he has run in the last few years.    Starting with Theo down low and Garcia at the high block.    After Garcia sets the pick, he generally flares, but he and DJ aren't quite in sync yet.      With different driving angles and only middling 3 pt shooters on the wings, the man defense is generally in help position to take away drives, not spread out to take away the 3 pt shot.   Plus, Garcia/Lewis defender is still near the key.   With no driving lanes, standing around ensues, and then handoffs and then more standing around.   

So, new players in a new-ish offense that Wojo is using to adapt to his personnel.    It would help if Lewis or Garcia got hot from the wing 3 so that MU could run more 4 out.    Right now, the defense wants them to shoot 3's.

Thank you, makes my watching a game more informed.  You are much better than most of the announcers.

[jesmu84]

Some things.    Again with this group of players not playing together much.    Second, this is a different offense than Wojo has run in the past.   Even the guys with experience are in new roles.     This year is more of a 3 out- 2 in versus the 4 out that he has run in the last few years.    Starting with Theo down low and Garcia at the high block.    After Garcia sets the pick, he generally flares, but he and DJ aren't quite in sync yet.      With different driving angles and only middling 3 pt shooters on the wings, the man defense is generally in help position to take away drives, not spread out to take away the 3 pt shot.   Plus, Garcia/Lewis defender is still near the key.   With no driving lanes, standing around ensues, and then handoffs and then more standing around.   

So, new players in a new-ish offense that Wojo is using to adapt to his personnel.    It would help if Lewis or Garcia got hot from the wing 3 so that MU could run more 4 out.    Right now, the defense wants them to shoot 3's.

Couldn't they run a version of the triangle/3-man game? Cain can shoot from the corner. Have theo/garcia on the low block. DJ on the near wing with ball. Spread garcia/theo and Koby on the far side. Attack with options.

I'm just spit balling. Find concepts/strategies that maximize your individual players' strengths.

[tower912]

Sure.   I get the spitballing.   But when would they have time to install it?    This is a different set using the same principles as the last 6 years adapted to this year's personnel.    The triangle is a different language.   

[bilsu]

The offense turned it over 17 times though

A lot of it occurred when we were trying to get the ball in the post. John almost killed Garcia with a pass and Lewis did the same thing a short time later. Carton also made a bad pass in the post. I think the teams problem is that they do not have a lot of consistent three point shooting, so Wojo has tried to offset this with post play. I am not sure how many teams can beat Villanova by relying two point shots.

[NorthernDancerColt]

pretty sure the turnovers come from a lack of movement and forced passes into tight windows which are created from lack of fluidity on offense

Can't disagree. The problem isn't as systemic as it's been painted here, however. Villanova caused this. We didn't respond. We had better, soon. Can we change the name of this board to "Movin' at the AL" ?