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[ChicosBailBonds]

Not a Badger hater.  For a Marquette fan to spin Bo's NCAA record positively is ridiculous.  (I hope I don't need to reiterate his results vs. his seeding)

Don't get me wrong.  It is not a surprise coming from you, but this may be the most ludicrous stretch you've ever made.

Wow, just wow.

I guess I went to a different Marquette than you did.   You seem to have went to the one that encouraged fans to turn a blind eye to sexual assaults at MU and bashed any other MU grads that dared to question it.  You seem to have went to the MU that wants to ignore those truths about important stuff or even the unimportant like a rival coach's record and goes to such an extreme to call the truth...SPIN.  All for mother alma mater.

Wow, just wow.

Ignored

[thekahoona]

Wow, just wow.

I guess I went to a different Marquette than you did.   You seem to have went to the one that encouraged fans to turn a blind eye to sexual assaults at MU and bashed anyone other MU grads that dared to question it.  You seem to have went to the MU that doesn't wants to ignore those truths about important stuff or even the unimportant like a rival coach's record and goes to such an extreme to call the truth...SPIN.  All for mother alma mater.

Wow, just wow.

Ignored

+1 you know me chicos, (RBSC), this is the nonsense that got me to bail as a participant on this board and just be a reader several years ago. i'm wondering why i came back.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

The program is run by Ryan. Not saying that it will implode when he leaves.  But when they have to replace Bo, it will be every bit as important to them as it is to us.  And there is no guarantee that they make the right choice.

Difference is, as a public school they will ALWAYS have the resources to bounce back after a bad hire or two. Doesn't take much for a private school like Marquette to drop into oblivion for near-permanently.

[LAZER]

Difference is, as a public school they will ALWAYS have the resources to bounce back after a bad hire or two. Doesn't take much for a private school like Marquette to drop into oblivion for near-permanently.

It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.

[MUSF]

It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.

+1

At this point, anyone who truly believes that MU will just fall into mid-major status is just insecure. MU is too committed to bball to drop to that level. Now, the wrong hire combined with other circumstances could cause a pretty significant setback, but MU won't be down forever.

[mu-rara]

Wow, just wow.

I guess I went to a different Marquette than you did.   You seem to have went to the one that encouraged fans to turn a blind eye to sexual assaults at MU and bashed any other MU grads that dared to question it.  You seem to have went to the MU that wants to ignore those truths about important stuff or even the unimportant like a rival coach's record and goes to such an extreme to call the truth...SPIN.  All for mother alma mater.

Wow, just wow.

Ignored

Not sure how you go from commenting on Bo's NCAA tourney record to turning a blind eye to sexual assault.  Go back to PHIL001.  Look up  "non sequitir".  I know from past posts you failed PHIL001. 

You are the one spinning Bo's NCAA record.  Look at it.  It's pretty weak. 

[thekahoona]

+1

At this point, anyone who truly believes that MU will just fall into mid-major status is just insecure. MU is too committed to bball to drop to that level. Now, the wrong hire combined with other circumstances could cause a pretty significant setback, but MU won't be down forever.

It can take years to recover from a significant setback. In order to reach high major status, we needed a succession of good coaches and top shelf talent. It didn't happen overnight. However, the decline happened over the lifetime of a single administration...D'Ulio, et al. By the time I graduated in 1987 Marquette basketball was a joke...

It took KO, (slight detour in Deane), Crean and yes...Buzz, to get the program to today. It's not a perfectly smooth trajectory.

[MUSF]

It can take years to recover from a significant setback. In order to reach high major status, we needed a succession of good coaches and top shelf talent. It didn't happen overnight. However, the decline happened over the lifetime of a single administration...D'Ulio, et al. By the time I graduated in 1987 Marquette basketball was a joke...

We're already at high major status.

[thekahoona]

We're already at high major status.

You missed my point. Our high-major status was lost in the course of a single administration in the 80's. It took more than 20 years to get it back.

[Groin_pull]

We're already at high major status.

Depends who you ask. Out here on the West Coast, a lot of sports fans think the new Big East is basically the same as the A-10. Once Syracuse, ND, Pitt, and Louisville took off, the NBE dropped dangerously close to mid-major status. To the majority, the only conferences that matter are the PAC-12, SEC, Big 10, ACC, and Big VII.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.

I dunno... we seemed to do so pretty quickly after Al left...

[humanlung]

It would take a lot for Marquette to drop into oblivion.

I was a student during the Bob Dukiet "era" (I should say "sentence"...).  I will forever be grateful to Kevin O'Neil who almost single-handedly pulled us back from the brink. 

People may not like him as a person but if not for him and his efforts, we would be living in obscurity now.

Do not kid yourself, obscurity is much, much closer than you think. 

[MUSF]

You missed my point. Our high-major status was lost in the course of a single administration in the 80's. It took more than 20 years to get it back.

So you claimed that in your original post that by 1987 MU bball was a joke, and now you are saying it took more than 20 years to get our high-major status back. So, you assess that we weren't a high major program again until sometime after 2007? I would disagree with that.

[humanlung]

So you claimed that in your original post that by 1987 MU bball was a joke, and now you are saying it took more than 20 years to get our high-major status back. So, you assess that we weren't a high major program again until sometime after 2007? I would disagree with that.

MUSF, I was there in 1987 and one can make a case that 20 years is about right.  Open to argument but not an out of the question statement.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I was a student during the Bob Dukiet "era" (I should say "sentence"...).  I will forever be grateful to Kevin O'Neil who almost single-handedly pulled us back from the brink. 

People may not like him as a person but if not for him and his efforts, we would be living in obscurity now.

Do not kid yourself, obscurity is much, much closer than you think. 

I was there as well, and echo your statements.  I'm just glad cell phones with cameras didn't exist back then....or social media.

[humanlung]

I was there as well, and echo your statements.  I'm just glad cell phones with cameras didn't exist back then....or social media.

Remember the five man recruiting class that couldn't gain admission?

You guys are talking about the coaching search being embarrassing...

[LAZER]

I was a student during the Bob Dukiet "era" (I should say "sentence"...).  I will forever be grateful to Kevin O'Neil who almost single-handedly pulled us back from the brink. 

People may not like him as a person but if not for him and his efforts, we would be living in obscurity now.

Do not kid yourself, obscurity is much, much closer than you think. 

I guess it depends on one's idea of obscurity, but it's going to take more than one bad hire to undo the success of the last 10 years.

[thekahoona]

So you claimed that in your original post that by 1987 MU bball was a joke, and now you are saying it took more than 20 years to get our high-major status back. So, you assess that we weren't a high major program again until sometime after 2007? I would disagree with that.

To humanlung's point above, perhaps I am exaggerating a little bit. However, I remember that even during the 2003 FF run, these boards would blow up when a reporter had the temerity to call us a mid-major.

So as to smooth your ruffled feathers, let me add the qualifier "consistent" to high-major level - in which nary a reporter would ever refer to the MU program, mistaken or otherwise, as mid-major.

Bottom line, we consistently sucked in the mid to late 80's and it was a long road to come back from it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Depends who you ask. Out here on the West Coast, a lot of sports fans think the new Big East is basically the same as the A-10. Once Syracuse, ND, Pitt, and Louisville took off, the NBE dropped dangerously close to mid-major status. To the majority, the only conferences that matter are the PAC-12, SEC, Big 10, ACC, and Big VII.

That correlates with football, and if you are a football fan no doubt that his what one will think.  Not surprising at all IMO.  Not much MU can do about that, we made our bed in 1960.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Once in 13 years!

Twice....and they can win it all

[Hards Alumni]

Twice....and they can win it all

Captain Hindsight, reporting for duty!

[Pakuni]

"Bo Ryan is a bad coach," said no one on MU Scoop ever.