Anyone who has not vaccinated their children should be subject to severe penalties. How in God's name is Jenny McCarthy in any way a thought leader on scientific investigation? The masses are asses...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/us/a-discredited-vaccine-studys-continuing-impact-on-public-health.html?_r=0

 

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

I am in favor of charging anti-vaxxers with reckless homicide if they fail to vaccinate their kid who ends up dying from a preventable disease. Same if their kid gets and spreads that disease to a different kid. I would also charge anti-vaxxers with child neglect and stick those kids right in foster care.

Quote from: keefe on February 03, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
Anyone who has not vaccinated their children should be subject to severe penalties. How in God's name is Jenny McCarthy in any way a thought leader on scientific investigation? The masses are asses...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/us/a-discredited-vaccine-studys-continuing-impact-on-public-health.html?_r=0

 

It is absolutely amazing to me that this has become a thing.  Honestly, vaccinations should be a requirement for participation in a civilized society.  It's not a thing people can choose to participate in....if the vast majority of a population are not vaccinated then even the people who are vaccinated are at risk.  SHARED IMMUNITY people, learn what it is!!!

I grew up a military brat and had to be vaccinated to the hilt and any time we showed up at a new base the first thing we had to show when going to medical for the first time was the vaccination records, I assume its the same in the civilian world, yes?

To make it MU related, anyone know if MU requires you to be vaccinated, I don't remember.  If not we should.

Can't governors just throw them in a tent next to the hospital?

Here is another great article about the profile of some of these anti-vaxers. Decisions made after "meditating" and based on feelings instead of facts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us/vaccine-critics-turn-defensive-over-measles.html?referrer=

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
It is absolutely amazing to me that this has become a thing.  Honestly, vaccinations should be a requirement for participation in a civilized society.  It's not a thing people can choose to participate in....if the vast majority of a population are not vaccinated then even the people who are vaccinated are at risk.  SHARED IMMUNITY people, learn what it is!!!

I grew up a military brat and had to be vaccinated to the hilt and any time we showed up at a new base the first thing we had to show when going to medical for the first time was the vaccination records, I assume its the same in the civilian world, yes?

To make it MU related, anyone know if MU requires you to be vaccinated, I don't remember.  If not we should.

I think so, I remember getting a bunch of shots the summer before freshman year in 98. 

I love the comment at 10:40... Epidemiologists can put a ring on the map around any Whole Foods and identify a concentration of anti-vaxxers

Finally, something liberal hippy dippies and tea party folks can unite behind.

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
To make it MU related, anyone know if MU requires you to be vaccinated, I don't remember.  If not we should.

I think recommended, but not mandatory. I had a roommate that claimed to not be vaccinated.

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
It is absolutely amazing to me that this has become a thing.  Honestly, vaccinations should be a requirement for participation in a civilized society.  It's not a thing people can choose to participate in....if the vast majority of a population are not vaccinated then even the people who are vaccinated are at risk.  SHARED IMMUNITY people, learn what it is!!!

The Government cannot tell me what to do. Why do you hate Freedom?

Yes, I'm totally kidding

Quote from: Henry Sugar on February 03, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
The Government cannot tell me what to do. Why do you hate Freedom?

I can't possibly hate freedom, I enjoy collecting freedom points every time USMNT scores.

Side serious note, a representative government is for the collective betterment of all.  The is no credible downside to vaccinations, therefore ultimately vaccinating everyone is for the betterment of all....closest thing I've seen to a no brainer requirement.

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:45:50 AM
I can't possibly hate freedom, I enjoy collecting freedom points every time USMNT scores.

Side serious note, a representative government is for the collective betterment of all.  The is no credible downside to vaccinations, therefore ultimately vaccinating everyone is for the betterment of all....closest thing I've seen to a no brainer requirement.

What is the exchange rate of Schrute bucks to Freedom Points? 

Quote from: reinko on February 03, 2015, 11:33:16 AM
Finally, something liberal hippy dippies and tea party folks can unite behind.

I actually find this very funny. It's essentially the left's version of science denial. Where most of this is catching on is the uber-rich counties in California with the super granola, all-natural BS liberals.

Quote from: reinko on February 03, 2015, 11:47:35 AM
What is the exchange rate of Schrute bucks to Freedom Points? 

6 - 9

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:45:50 AM
Side serious note, a representative government is for the collective betterment of all.  There is no credible downside to vaccinations, therefore ultimately vaccinating everyone is for the betterment of all....closest thing I've seen to a no brainer requirement.

Actually there is... it means that natural selection won't take care of Jenny McCarthy for us.

Quote from: Aughnanure on February 03, 2015, 11:49:24 AM
I actually find this very funny. It's essentially the left's version of science denial. Where most of this is catching on is the uber-rich counties in California with the super granola, all-natural BS liberals.

I actually was going to make this point but decided I didn't want to light a firebomb on this thread....but you are correct.  "Right denies climate change"(I mean that it is happening, not root cause), "left denies validity of vaccinations".

Both are scientifically verifiable but each group chooses to ignore facts.

Don't care what anyone does if it doesn't affect me.  This does.  I'll stick the needles in them myself, the bastards.

Quote from: reinko on February 03, 2015, 11:47:35 AM
What is the exchange rate of Schrute bucks to Freedom Points?  

On a tangent, Rainn Wilson's new show is pretty good.  I can't really shake the association of him as Dwight, but that almost makes it better.

Quote from: Benny B on February 03, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
Actually there is... it means that natural selection won't take care of Jenny McCarthy for us.

Not to be nitpicky, but Jenny McCarthy has already procreated so we can't stop that now....it's her children's progeny that we would be propping up.....your point is well taken.  

Here's a timeline of the recent measles outbreak. Scary stuff.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/measles-epidemic-2015-a-timeline-of-the-outbreak,37870/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:2:Default

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:53:09 AM
Not to be nitpicky, but Jenny McCarthy has already procreated so we can't stop that now....it's her children's progeny that we would be propping up.....your point is well taken.  

I know that, technically, my argument carries a fatal flaw... just like the kids of an anti-vaxxer.


Thank you.  I'll be here all week.

Under the ACA, health insurers can charge up to a 50% surcharge for tobacco usage.

The same calculation should be made for insuring the unvaccinated.

Quote from: mu03eng on February 03, 2015, 11:51:24 AM
I actually was going to make this point but decided I didn't want to light a firebomb on this thread....but you are correct.  "Right denies climate change"(I mean that it is happening, not root cause), "left denies validity of vaccinations".

Both are scientifically verifiable but each group chooses to ignore facts.

Yep.  Kind of a sad state of affairs when you think about it.

Quote from: keefe on February 03, 2015, 11:02:32 AM
Anyone who has not vaccinated their children should be subject to severe penalties. How in God's name is Jenny McCarthy in any way a thought leader on scientific investigation? The masses are asses...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/02/us/a-discredited-vaccine-studys-continuing-impact-on-public-health.html?_r=0

 

You realize we have a lot of people that are "thought leaders" on things that people pay attention to.  Some are even elected over and over again. 

Honestly, is this just hitting the news or something out there?  This has been going on in this whack job state for years.  My wife and I were given horrid looks when we took our kids to get vaccinated, and both my kids are teens.   Been the "deal" here for as long as I can remember.  My wife is the daughter of a Marquette Med School educated doctor, and we basically told these people to pound sand.  After living in and visiting several 3rd world countries and seeing some of the stuff those kids and people in general go through, no way in hell we wouldn't vaccinate our kids.

Don't forget the ability of people, the press, social media, etc to perpetuate stats that become anchored in some reality.  Whether it's 50% of marriages end in divorce (absolute bullshyte), or 9/11 was an inside job, or vaccinations cause autism, etc, etc.