Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2025, 12:50:04 PMFor me, it depends on how the loss was lost, the importance of it, etc. For example, the loss at Creighton in February wasn't exactly a shock and we never really had a chance to win the game, but our guys didn't pack it in either. So I got over my grumpiness pretty quickly. The loss to New America in an NCAAT game, I thought we made too many terrible mistakes and lost to a team we were better than, and it ended our season, so it took me a while. I didn't even look at Scoop for 48 hours, and that helped me get over it.

Just to be clear-I get that for some, maybe many, here that it takes quite a while. I hope I did not come across as holier-than-thou. If so, I apologize. That was not my intent. The rage (but not the disappointment) on scoop after a loss is what I find strange.

Agree we were the better team vs. NM, but from the tip-off on, we did not play like the better team. Not looking at Scoop for 48 hours was probably a good idea.

Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 12:57:35 PMI was raised on the Lions.  I was at MU during the Majerus/Dukiet era.  I spent a career walking into burning buildings and doing CPR. Losses are part of the journey and sports are not life and death.  Every fanbase but one ends every single season in every sport disappointed.  So, like you, I enjoy the wins and shake off the losses.
  And, having been a part of coaching 39 different youth teams, I also default to watching the process and being protective of the kids.

Your mention of burning buildings and CPR is significant in the sense that I have my own reasons for putting losses of MUBB in perspective. I will have a long, serious post after the tourney is over in the Superbar that will address perspective. It will not be pleasant reading, and it will be about the horrors that some people I have known have endured. It was not their intent, but they humbled me.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 12:59:29 PMJust to be clear-I get that for some, maybe many, here that it takes quite a while. I hope I did not come across as holier-than-thou. If so, I apologize. That was not my intent. The rage (but not the disappointment) on scoop after a loss is what I find strange.

Agree we were the better team vs. NM, but from the tip-off on, we did not play like the better team. Not looking at Scoop for 48 hours was probably a good idea.

I didn't take your post as being holier-than-thou at all. I looked at it as a conversation-starter, and it indeed started a conversation.

I should have added that I enjoy the wins immensely. There have been periods of frustration in each of Shaka's four seasons, including the last game of each year, but looking at the body of work I have really enjoyed Shaka's time at Marquette. For me, the single biggest positive has been that several of my best MU buddies - who had given up on Marquette hoops during the Wojo era - are now really into it again, and it has brought us together for trips to MU road games as well as for game-day text chains. They are funny and profane and just what the doctor ordered!

And I also am totally with you and tower about keeping things in perspective. Marquette hoops matters a lot, but so many things matter more.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 01:06:09 PMYour mention of burning buildings and CPR is significant in the sense that I have my own reasons for putting losses of MUBB in perspective. I will have a long, serious post after the tourney is over in the Superbar that will address perspective. It will not be pleasant reading, and it will be about the horrors that some people I have known have endured. It was not their intent, but they humbled me.

Wow, a cliffhanger

How much will Marquette get from this year's NCAA appearance?

Butler, GTown, DePaul or Nova could win 300k in NIL if they win the Crown.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2025, 04:44:27 PMHow much will Marquette get from this year's NCAA appearance?

Butler, GTown, DePaul or Nova could win 300k in NIL if they win the Crown.

How much will Marquette get? Nothing! We got knocked out in the first round as a #7 seed. Marquette has to pay the NCAA, not the other way around.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2025, 04:56:12 PMHow much will Marquette get? Nothing! We got knocked out in the first round as a #7 seed. Marquette has to pay the NCAA, not the other way around.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2025, 04:44:27 PMHow much will Marquette get from this year's NCAA appearance?

Butler, GTown, DePaul or Nova could win 300k in NIL if they win the Crown.

So that means Butler or DePaul could have a total of $300k in their NIl budgets next year...

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2025, 04:56:12 PMHow much will Marquette get? Nothing! We got knocked out in the first round as a #7 seed. Marquette has to pay the NCAA, not the other way around.

If I'm not mistaken, we'll get to share something from UCONN's, St. John's and Xavier's one tourney win each.

Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 01, 2025, 04:57:41 PMIf I'm not mistaken, we'll get to share something from UCONN's, St. John's and Xavier's one tourney win each.

Yeah, I know. It was a joke.

Interesting issue raised in The Athletic:

Despite Duke's team-wide apparel deal with Nike, could the program (or the NCAA) really do anything about it if Cooper Flagg insisted on wearing sneakers made by his sponsor New Balance on the court Saturday in the Final Four?

What are they going to do: Sit him? Sue him? Come on — neither. Flagg won't be the trailblazer, but someone else will be.

"The scenario you describe is real and will not be hypothetical for long," Michael O'Hara Lynch, former global head of sponsorship marketing at Visa, told me via email. "It's inevitable! No question in my mind that some player will soon test the school's ability to dictate what shoes they wear on the court, as well as other products/services they are now endorsing (drinks on the sidelines, etc.)."

 

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 01, 2025, 05:01:08 PMYeah, I know. It was a joke.

I knew you were joking--I was answering '69er's original question.  I should've quoted his post.

Former Villanova star Kris Jenkins, whose buzzer-beater helped the Wildcats to the 2016 NCAA Tournament title, is suing the NCAA and six major conferences for restricting athlete pay and his ability to monetize his name, image and likeness while he was in college.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6261720/2025/04/07/kris-jenkins-villanova-ncaa-nil-lawsuit/?

Jenkins' antitrust complaint was filed last week in the Southern District of New York. It names the Big East — along with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC — as defendants. Those five conferences, along with the NCAA, were also named defendants in the House v. NCAA case.

Jenkins' lawsuit said he opted out of the House v. NCAA settlement, which is awaiting final approval from a federal judge in California. That hearing is scheduled for later Monday in Oakland, Calif., in front of U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken. Approval of the settlement would pave the way for nearly $2.8 billion in damages to be paid out to hundreds of thousands of former and current college athletes, plus the implementation of a new revenue-sharing system allowing schools to directly pay athletes.

Jenkins' lawsuit says he "formerly worked as a college basketball player at Villanova University." The South Carolina native, who went to high school in Washington, D.C., attended the Big East school from 2013 to 2017.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed last year by former Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson and several other ex-Wolverines that seeks more than $50 million from the Big Ten and NCAA for denying the athletes a chance to make money from sponsorship and endorsement deals.

Jenkins' 3-pointer in the closing seconds of the 2016 men's NCAA Tournament final against North Carolina gave Villanova a 77-74 victory and is considered one of the most memorable moments in the history of March Madness.

Jenkins' lawsuit does not seek a specific amount in damages, but it does lay out the millions in revenue Villanova, the Big East and the NCAA received from the tournament and the Wildcats' championship, as well as how "The Shot" is still monetized today.

The lawsuit said the video of the play is both the first and third-most viewed on the NCAA March Madness YouTube channel, "inundated with paid commercial content ..." It also said Jenkins and his teammates did "countless" autograph signings before and after his famous shot for donors, fans and collectors, but NCAA rules at the time banning athletes from receiving NIL compensation prevented him from cashing in. It estimates about $400,000 to $500,000 in lost earnings.

"Plaintiff Kris Jenkins seeks the compensation that he would have received absent Defendants' unlawful restraint on pay-for-play compensation, a share of game telecast revenue, and compensation that he would have received for media broadcast uses of his NIL ('BNIL'), and the compensation that he would have received for his NIL from third parties for use in video games and other opportunities including marketing, sponsorship, social media, branding, promotional and other NIL deals," the lawsuit says.

So I'm curious how far back players can keep suing before eventually people start considering the diminishing publicity college athletics had.

will the estate of George Mikan sue DePaul and the NCAA? Will they seek (and win) damages in today's money when it would've been pennies back then?

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 11:31:49 AMFormer Villanova star Kris Jenkins, whose buzzer-beater helped the Wildcats to the 2016 NCAA Tournament title, is suing the NCAA and six major conferences for restricting athlete pay and his ability to monetize his name, image and likeness while he was in college.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6261720/2025/04/07/kris-jenkins-villanova-ncaa-nil-lawsuit/?

Jenkins' antitrust complaint was filed last week in the Southern District of New York. It names the Big East — along with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC — as defendants. Those five conferences, along with the NCAA, were also named defendants in the House v. NCAA case.

Jenkins' lawsuit said he opted out of the House v. NCAA settlement, which is awaiting final approval from a federal judge in California. That hearing is scheduled for later Monday in Oakland, Calif., in front of U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken. Approval of the settlement would pave the way for nearly $2.8 billion in damages to be paid out to hundreds of thousands of former and current college athletes, plus the implementation of a new revenue-sharing system allowing schools to directly pay athletes.

Jenkins' lawsuit says he "formerly worked as a college basketball player at Villanova University." The South Carolina native, who went to high school in Washington, D.C., attended the Big East school from 2013 to 2017.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed last year by former Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson and several other ex-Wolverines that seeks more than $50 million from the Big Ten and NCAA for denying the athletes a chance to make money from sponsorship and endorsement deals.

Jenkins' 3-pointer in the closing seconds of the 2016 men's NCAA Tournament final against North Carolina gave Villanova a 77-74 victory and is considered one of the most memorable moments in the history of March Madness.

Jenkins' lawsuit does not seek a specific amount in damages, but it does lay out the millions in revenue Villanova, the Big East and the NCAA received from the tournament and the Wildcats' championship, as well as how "The Shot" is still monetized today.

The lawsuit said the video of the play is both the first and third-most viewed on the NCAA March Madness YouTube channel, "inundated with paid commercial content ..." It also said Jenkins and his teammates did "countless" autograph signings before and after his famous shot for donors, fans and collectors, but NCAA rules at the time banning athletes from receiving NIL compensation prevented him from cashing in. It estimates about $400,000 to $500,000 in lost earnings.

"Plaintiff Kris Jenkins seeks the compensation that he would have received absent Defendants' unlawful restraint on pay-for-play compensation, a share of game telecast revenue, and compensation that he would have received for media broadcast uses of his NIL ('BNIL'), and the compensation that he would have received for his NIL from third parties for use in video games and other opportunities including marketing, sponsorship, social media, branding, promotional and other NIL deals," the lawsuit says.

I gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:55 AMI gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

Uh...OK, cool.

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 11:31:49 AMFormer Villanova star Kris Jenkins, whose buzzer-beater helped the Wildcats to the 2016 NCAA Tournament title, is suing the NCAA and six major conferences for restricting athlete pay and his ability to monetize his name, image and likeness while he was in college.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6261720/2025/04/07/kris-jenkins-villanova-ncaa-nil-lawsuit/?

Jenkins' antitrust complaint was filed last week in the Southern District of New York. It names the Big East — along with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC — as defendants. Those five conferences, along with the NCAA, were also named defendants in the House v. NCAA case.

Jenkins' lawsuit said he opted out of the House v. NCAA settlement, which is awaiting final approval from a federal judge in California. That hearing is scheduled for later Monday in Oakland, Calif., in front of U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken. Approval of the settlement would pave the way for nearly $2.8 billion in damages to be paid out to hundreds of thousands of former and current college athletes, plus the implementation of a new revenue-sharing system allowing schools to directly pay athletes.

Jenkins' lawsuit says he "formerly worked as a college basketball player at Villanova University." The South Carolina native, who went to high school in Washington, D.C., attended the Big East school from 2013 to 2017.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed last year by former Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson and several other ex-Wolverines that seeks more than $50 million from the Big Ten and NCAA for denying the athletes a chance to make money from sponsorship and endorsement deals.

Jenkins' 3-pointer in the closing seconds of the 2016 men's NCAA Tournament final against North Carolina gave Villanova a 77-74 victory and is considered one of the most memorable moments in the history of March Madness.

Jenkins' lawsuit does not seek a specific amount in damages, but it does lay out the millions in revenue Villanova, the Big East and the NCAA received from the tournament and the Wildcats' championship, as well as how "The Shot" is still monetized today.

The lawsuit said the video of the play is both the first and third-most viewed on the NCAA March Madness YouTube channel, "inundated with paid commercial content ..." It also said Jenkins and his teammates did "countless" autograph signings before and after his famous shot for donors, fans and collectors, but NCAA rules at the time banning athletes from receiving NIL compensation prevented him from cashing in. It estimates about $400,000 to $500,000 in lost earnings.

"Plaintiff Kris Jenkins seeks the compensation that he would have received absent Defendants' unlawful restraint on pay-for-play compensation, a share of game telecast revenue, and compensation that he would have received for media broadcast uses of his NIL ('BNIL'), and the compensation that he would have received for his NIL from third parties for use in video games and other opportunities including marketing, sponsorship, social media, branding, promotional and other NIL deals," the lawsuit says.

Life isn't always fair. Reminds me of people who say they want back pay for tuition every time student loan forgiveness is brought up. Might be time for Jenkins to get a job if basketball is no longer a viable option.

Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2025, 12:47:50 PMLife isn't always fair. Reminds me of people who say they want back pay for tuition every time student loan forgiveness is brought up. Might be time for Jenkins to get a job if basketball is no longer a viable option.

Wierd analogy because they aren't really similar.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 11:54:21 AMUh...OK, cool.

It was cool, very cool.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 12:56:00 PMWierd analogy because they aren't really similar.

Wierd (sic) spelling, yo.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:55 AMI gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

Once when I was the mascot a child asked me to autograph their legit Dwyane Wade jersey.  I looked to the kid's parent hoping they would stop me but they nodded yes.  Fifteen years later and I still think about how a Gold N. Eagle signature ruined a nice jersey.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with NIL money though.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:55 AMI gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

I like homemade guac and good tortilla chips, especially with a nice craft beer.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 12:56:00 PMWierd analogy because they aren't really similar.

Hmm maybe not. He should have raised that concern when he signed his NLI where he agreed to follow the NCAA amateurism rules at the time. Hope he loses and gets nothing.

Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2025, 02:02:57 PMHmm maybe not. He should have raised that concern when he signed his NLI where he agreed to follow the NCAA amateurism rules at the time. Hope he loses and gets nothing.

Even weirder. He wasn't able to earn income. That's the point.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 08, 2025, 01:29:38 PMOnce when I was the mascot a child asked me to autograph their legit Dwyane Wade jersey.  I looked to the kid's parent hoping they would stop me but they nodded yes.  Fifteen years later and I still think about how a Gold N. Eagle signature ruined a nice jersey.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with NIL money though.

It's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it. Like I said that was before free agency, but Koufax and Dysdale did not go to court to sue the Dodgers or MLB after Curt Flood won his case. There is this attitude of entitlement that I didn't get mine because the rules did not allow me to make money at the time. Are all the past Marquette plyers going to sue Marquette because they didn't get theirs? There was a certain humility sport figures of the past had and were grateful to the sport to make a living they would not otherwise obtain.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 02:49:10 PMIt's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it. Like I said that was before free agency, but Koufax and Dysdale did not go to court to sue the Dodgers or MLB after Curt Flood won his case. There is this attitude of entitlement that I didn't get mine because the rules did not allow me to make money at the time. Are all the past Marquette plyers going to sue Marquette because they didn't get theirs? There was a certain humility sport figures of the past had and were grateful to the sport to make a living they would not otherwise obtain.

Oh give me a break. Guess what? Players can enjoy playing the sport AND get paid.

If the suit isn't legit, he will lose.