I've been waiting for someone to start this, but Scoop has been so wrapped up in our current problems that it is almost as if Saturday's game has been forgotten.

Pluses for Marquette:

We beat them once this season. We have an 8-0 streak going vs. Creighton. our team will want to redeem itself after our recent performances. Lastly, they had at least one really bad game @ Georgetown, where they got blown out. It's not as if they cannot have a bad game.

Then there's Creighton:

I believe their current win streak since losing to MU is 8, they are at home, Kalk is coming off a 35-point performance, and damn they are playing really well right now. If UCONN takes down SJ on Friday and Creighton wins this game, they are tied for 1st place.

With my standard rejoinders- 1) I really hope I'm wrong and 2) use me as your punching bag if we win-I will happily take whatever you dish out- I think we lose this one. Cue the COLE.

100%. Creighton sucks.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2025, 11:06:48 AMI've been waiting for someone to start this, but Scoop has been so wrapped up in our current problems that it is almost as if Saturday's game has been forgotten.

Pluses for Marquette:

We beat them once this season. We have an 8-0 streak going vs. Creighton. our team will want to redeem itself after our recent performances. Lastly, they had at least one really bad game @ Georgetown, where they got blown out. It's not as if they cannot have a bad game.

Then there's Creighton:

I believe their current win streak since losing to MU is 8, they are at home, Kalk is coming off a 35-point performance, and damn they are playing really well right now. If UCONN takes down SJ on Friday and Creighton wins this game, they are tied for 1st place.

With my standard rejoinders- 1) I really hope I'm wrong and 2) use me as your punching bag if we win-I will happily take whatever you dish out- I think we lose this one. Cue the COLE.

We have an 8-0 streak against Creighton? What exactly does that mean?

Creighton is rolling.  Kalkbrenner is rolling.  Ben has to be able to play him effectively for 30 minutes. 

We do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton.  We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.

We're a better team than they are, but we aren't playing well right now and we're on the road.  I'll go with a close win.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 11:11:48 AMWe have an 8-0 streak against Creighton? What exactly does that mean?

Yeah. We lost to them 3 times in 2022 and once last year. Shaka is 4-4 vs. Creighton.

But I think we beat them this week. They have an effective but not disruptive defense. And they aren't a very explosive or deep team. They are good. We definitely can lose. But this is one I think we get.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 06, 2025, 11:13:59 AMYeah. We lost to them 3 times in 2022 and once last year. Shaka is 4-4 vs. Creighton.

But I think we beat them this week. They have an effective but not disruptive defense. And they aren't a very explosive or deep team. They are good. We definitely can lose. But this is one I think we get.

Yup.  They won't overwhelm us with physicality and athleticism like St. John's and, to a lesser extent, UCONN did.  My worry is they can get extremely hot in that building.  But I'm hoping Stevie continues to give Ashworth nightmares, and when you cut the head of the snake off...

Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:16:25 AMYup.  They won't overwhelm us with physicality and athleticism like St. John's and, to a lesser extent, UCONN did.  My worry is they can get extremely hot in that building.  But I'm hoping Stevie continues to give Ashworth nightmares, and when you cut the head of the snake off...

Agreed. And the two teams that have beat us recently have had an ability to switch 1-5 and make us play them 1v1. Creighton can't do that.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 11:11:48 AMWe have an 8-0 streak against Creighton? What exactly does that mean?

Motivation for Creighton to end it.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:13:24 AMWe do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton.  We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.

We're a better team than they are, but we aren't playing well right now and we're on the road.  I'll go with a close win.

My bad. I should know better than to repeat what announcers say without checking it out.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2025, 11:21:16 AMMotivation for Creighton to end it.

End what? I guess then is my question. They definitely do not have an 8 game winning streak against Creighton if that is what you meant by that.

We are 4-1 in the last 5. 4-4 in the last 8.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 06, 2025, 11:23:13 AMEnd what? I guess then is my question. They definitely do not have an 8 game winning streak against Creighton if that is what you meant by that.

We are 4-1 in the last 5. 4-4 in the last 8.

See above reply to Wades.

We have a 1-game winning streak against them. They beat us March 2, 2024. Overall, Shaka is 4-4 against Creighton, but three of the four losses came in 2021-22 when they swept us and knocked us out of the BET.

I do think we are a tough matchup for them. Our strength is winning the turnover battle. They turn it over a lot and don't force any in return, so that is an area we should win. They also aren't a great offensive rebounding team, so don't expect them to generate many additional shots in that manner. Between turnovers and their lack of O-boards, expect us to have more scoring chances.

They also get a great whistle. Kalkbrenner has never fouled out and has been whistled for 4 just once in the past two seasons. We won't get much at the line unless we have a lead late and they are trying to extend the game. On the plus side, we're #322 in percent of points from the line, so that's not really how we score anyway.

My biggest worry is their shooting. Creighton shoots 38.1% from three at home vs just 30.4% away from CHI. We need to weather their shooting, force turnovers, and drag Kalk out of the paint. It's a winnable game, but that is a tough building to win in for anyone.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:13:24 AMWe do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton.  We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.

We're a better team than they are, but we aren't playing well right now and we're on the road.  I'll go with a close win.

I guess we will find out which team is better when they play. MU is a few spots higher on kenpom but Creighton has a better conference record. I wouldn't say MU is better than UConn or SJU. MU can beat all of those teams if they play very well. At the end of the day, however, you're as good as your record says you are.

Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2025, 11:12:43 AMCreighton is rolling.  Kalkbrenner is rolling.  Ben has to be able to play him effectively for 30 minutes.

As somebody alteady said, "I'll take Things Not Happening for $500 Alex"

Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 11:13:24 AMWe do not have an 8-0 streak going against Creighton.  We lost to them last year in Omaha, 2 games ago against them.

If you don't count the losses, we are undefeated as a program.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 06, 2025, 11:34:00 AMWe have a 1-game winning streak against them. They beat us March 2, 2024. Overall, Shaka is 4-4 against Creighton, but three of the four losses came in 2021-22 when they swept us and knocked us out of the BET.

I do think we are a tough matchup for them. Our strength is winning the turnover battle. They turn it over a lot and don't force any in return, so that is an area we should win. They also aren't a great offensive rebounding team, so don't expect them to generate many additional shots in that manner. Between turnovers and their lack of O-boards, expect us to have more scoring chances.

They also get a great whistle. Kalkbrenner has never fouled out and has been whistled for 4 just once in the past two seasons. We won't get much at the line unless we have a lead late and they are trying to extend the game. On the plus side, we're #322 in percent of points from the line, so that's not really how we score anyway.

My biggest worry is their shooting. Creighton shoots 38.1% from three at home vs just 30.4% away from CHI. We need to weather their shooting, force turnovers, and drag Kalk out of the paint. It's a winnable game, but that is a tough building to win in for anyone.

I've always felt like we play and shoot well there, so I looked it up.

Since Wojo took over in 2014-15, Marquette is 6-4 @ Creighton.

In that time we are 96-227 from 3, good for 42.2%. It is a shooter friendly arena.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 06, 2025, 11:46:06 AMI guess we will find out which team is better when they play. MU is a few spots higher on kenpom but Creighton has a better conference record. I wouldn't say MU is better than UConn or SJU. MU can beat all of those teams if they play very well. At the end of the day, however, you're as good as your record says you are.

I guess I consider more than conference record when determining who's better.  We already beat them and have a much better resume.  Hopefully we can beat them again Saturday.

Schedule L

Our chances of beating Creighton are higher than beating UConn or St. Johns for reasons already stated.  That said, hard to like our chances with the way we've been playing. 

Neal is the X factor for CU to me. Jop is the X factor for us. They don't have anyone that can guard Joplin. Neal has the ability to match a bit of MU's athleticism.

Kam also should be a major problem for Creighton, but he is for most.

Zero

McDermott owns Shaka

0 chance

My back of the napkin math has Marquette's chances of winning at a solid 69%.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 06, 2025, 12:31:10 PMMy back of the napkin math has Marquette's chances of winning at a solid 69%.

Nice