Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 08:55:30 AMI'm super surprised.  You would think Dallas would get more. 

Like Bronny?

The durability concerns seem a bit odd for me.  He's been banged up this year, but I'm pretty sure he's never been under 65/66 games a year.  Hes not Kawhi.

The conditioning piece I guess I can see. But man thats a hard conversation.  The Euro approach to that is so more laid back and less rigorous than the US, especially stating young.  But even more so, how do you tell someone their conditioning is a problem when they've been absolutely smoking grown adults since they were 16 and has only continued to excel and progress into superstardom at the highest level.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2025, 09:19:39 AMLike Bronny?

They would have had to throw in Kyrie too in order to get that big of a return

Rumors were that Luka wasn't necessarily going to sign his Supermax either. 

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 10:33:31 AMRumors were that Luka wasn't necessarily going to sign his Supermax either. 

Yeah, trading Luka isn't super headscratching. However, it's wild that's all they got for him.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 10:33:31 AMRumors were that Luka wasn't necessarily going to sign his Supermax either. 

And now he lost his ability to sign the Supermax. 

Dallas appears to be saying:

Now we've got one of the very best bigs in recent years to go with a great PG who no longer will have to take turns with Doncic, as well as some good role players. We can make a run at the title the next couple of years, and we don't have to play contract roulette with Doncic.

Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2025, 11:55:21 AMDallas appears to be saying:

Now we've got one of the very best bigs in recent years to go with a great PG who no longer will have to take turns with Doncic, as well as some good role players. We can make a run at the title the next couple of years, and we don't have to play contract roulette with Doncic.

Those two aren't enough.  Especially with Davis' injury problems.  And the fact that didn't get more in return for Doncic is freaking crazy.  Especially when you consider relatively recent superstar trades, and the haul those teams got back.  Paul George and Donovan Mitchell are two good examples. 

Quote from: cheebs09 on February 02, 2025, 11:39:37 AMYeah, trading Luka isn't super headscratching. However, it's wild that's all they got for him.

I disagree.  Trading a top 3-5 player in his prime on a good team is always shocking and a head scratcher.  Post mortem speculation and reasoning can make sense of it, but it's shocking and crazy no matter what.  Every NBA writer whose job is to follow and be totally plugged into the league, to a person, is absolutely dumbfounded and shell shocked the last 12-15 hours

The timing of the announcement and paltry return is what makes me and others flummoxed

Quote from: JWags85 on February 02, 2025, 02:10:01 PMI disagree.  Trading a top 3-5 player in his prime on a good team is always shocking and a head scratcher.  Post mortem speculation and reasoning can make sense of it, but it's shocking and crazy no matter what.  Every NBA writer whose job is to follow and be totally plugged into the league, to a person, is absolutely dumbfounded and shell shocked the last 12-15 hours

The timing of the announcement and paltry return is what makes me and others flummoxed

It's only paltry because of AD's health.

Quote from: Jockey on February 02, 2025, 02:28:43 PMIt's only paltry because of AD's health.

Even without the health issues, AD is also six years older, and age matters more for big guys. Dallas basically trading away 4-5 years of prime Luka for a guy already past his prime.
As for the rest of the deal, Max Christie is an OK rotational piece and the first Dallas got is a throw at the dart board. Given Luka and the ability to attract top players, that's very unlikely a top 10 pick.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 02, 2025, 03:01:15 PMEven without the health issues, AD is also six years older, and age matters more for big guys. Dallas basically trading away 4-5 years of prime Luka for a guy already past his prime.
As for the rest of the deal, Max Christie is an OK rotational piece and the first Dallas got is a throw at the dart board. Given Luka and the ability to attract top players, that's very unlikely a top 10 pick.

Exactly.  AD is a stretch big that will be 32 before the season ends.  That's not a guy who has another 5-6 years of high level production.  I'd bet he doesn't even have more than 3-4.  That's not the piece you trade arguably you trade guy like Doncic for.

This is astounding...
https://x.com/jga41agher/status/1886129765825798497?s=46

Is this just an attempted big brain uber ego move?

The remaining Mavs are demotivated.

https://x.com/Taylor_Ducote/status/1886159828323549189

Kyrie isn't playing, either, and Cleveland is good.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 02, 2025, 02:10:01 PMI disagree.  Trading a top 3-5 player in his prime on a good team is always shocking and a head scratcher.  Post mortem speculation and reasoning can make sense of it, but it's shocking and crazy no matter what.  Every NBA writer whose job is to follow and be totally plugged into the league, to a person, is absolutely dumbfounded and shell shocked the last 12-15 hours

The timing of the announcement and paltry return is what makes me and others flummoxed

Based on it now coming out that he didn't give an indication that he wouldn't sign the Super Max, I now agree it's very headscratching. I was assuming he had indicated he wouldn't stay in Dallas.

Quote from: Dish on February 02, 2025, 12:36:46 AMIs that really all that Dallas could get back?

For Bucks fans, if the Mavs said "Luka for Giannis?", you're doing that deal, right?

So apparently the Mavs did call about a straight up trade, and Milwaukee said no.

De'Aaron Fox to the Spurs.   

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 07:36:45 PMDe'Aaron Fox to the Spurs.   

Full deal

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1886228220925943975

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 06:12:31 PMSo apparently the Mavs did call about a straight up trade, and Milwaukee said no.

This would be the most fascinating part to me if they shopped Luka around.

I feel like Giannis was the most interesting case. Like, did the Bucks straight up say no? Did they talk about it for a few days and struggle with a decision?

Spurs and Nuggets immediately would have said "no thanks".

Thunder and Celtics probably said "hmm..." and then would pass.

Those team by team internal conversations would have been amazing to listen in on.

The Kings got way more for Fox than Dallas did for Doncic. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 08:01:13 PMThe Kings got way more for Fox than Dallas did for Doncic.

Did they?
The Charlotte pick is lottery protected and likely becomes two seconds instead (because Charlotte is heading to the lottery). The other two? I imagine that Spurs will be really good in 2027 and that's going to be a late first. Who knows what the 2031 Wolves look like.
LaVine is a pretty good player with a great player's contract. The Bulls are happy to have that off the books and the Kings aren't a team that likes paying the luxury tax, so what are they going to add around him?

The Mavs didn't get a good return, and the Kings were in a tough spot with Fox, but their return isn't all that great either.

Quote from: Dish on February 02, 2025, 08:00:21 PMThis would be the most fascinating part to me if they shopped Luka around.

I feel like Giannis was the most interesting case. Like, did the Bucks straight up say no? Did they talk about it for a few days and struggle with a decision?

Spurs and Nuggets immediately would have said "no thanks".

Thunder and Celtics probably said "hmm..." and then would pass.

Those team by team internal conversations would have been amazing to listen in on.

I think Giannis is better than Luka. And between that and his history, the Bucks didn't think twice. 

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 08:27:26 PMI think Giannis is better than Luka. And between that and his history, the Bucks didn't think twice. 

Yeah, hard no from me. Luka is awesome and he's younger than Giannis and his ceiling is super high if he irons out the conditioning.

But no way I'm trading probably the best two way player in the NBA playing at arguably the highest level of his career for a dude who consistently comes into camp overweight and is a negative on one side of the floor. Plus the fit next to Dame would make no sense.

And that's without considering Giannis' history here and what he's meant to the city and the team.

No shade at Luka. He's a legit top 5 (probably #3) player in the NBA but he's not as good as Giannis and a worse fit. Pass.

Can't trade Giannis, but this roster is so far from a contending NBA roster and has no way of improving in the next 2 years that if the Mavs attached a few firsts and Luka guaranteed he'd sign an extension you'd have to consider it. He's 5 years younger and you can make your rebuild around him.

Horst should be looking to get anything he can for Brook before the deadline, get everything he can for Dame this offseason, get anything he can for Khris's expiring next trade deadline, and hope Giannis is up for a rebuild. And fire Horst before he makes another draft pick.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2025, 09:51:10 PMCan't trade Giannis, but this roster is so far from a contending NBA roster and has no way of improving in the next 2 years that if the Mavs attached a few firsts and Luka guaranteed he'd sign an extension you'd have to consider it. He's 5 years younger and you can make your rebuild around him.

Horst should be looking to get anything he can for Brook before the deadline, get everything he can for Dame this offseason, get anything he can for Khris's expiring next trade deadline, and hope Giannis is up for a rebuild. And fire Horst before he makes another draft pick.

I said in the off-season that Dame needed to go. He wasn't a fit and has done nothing to make me change my mind. Pippin Jr. is wiping the floor with Dame tonite - at both ends.

Biggest loser of the weekend is Demar Derozan.  Terrible fit and chemistry with Lavine in Chicago.  Flees all the way to lame ass Sacramento...only to have Lavine pop up in his locker room a few months later.

Also, I'm not the biggest De'Aaron Fox fan, think he's a firmly "very good" player who won't ever be "great", but man there is the potential for the Spurs to be a TON of fun with him arriving.  Arguably the fastest player in the NBA blowing past people and needing to only toss it within 10 feet of the rim for octopus arms Wemby to pull it down.