MU scored in the 50s.

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 18, 2025, 07:28:12 PMBlue,  we played like a pile of excrement on the offensive end.  There  is no disputing that.  We've now had several bad performances and our All-American is definitely in a funk.  We're not going to beat many teams in D-1 frankly with what we saw through 27 mins.  That all said I believe we can get back our mojo.  We continued to compete despite the dumpster fire shooting and overall ineptitude.  This team is way too good, experienced, and well coached not to overcome this little rough patch.  I fully expect us to bounce back.

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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2025, 07:31:31 PMAnybody hear anything about Chase's injury?

I sat next to somebody at the game that was telling me he sustained a serious thumb injury against DePaul.

I hadn't seen or heard that anywhere until today.

He was grabbing at it a ton, especially in the first half.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2025, 07:31:31 PMAnybody hear anything about Chase's injury?

I sat next to somebody at the game that was telling me he sustained a serious thumb injury against DePaul.

I hadn't seen or heard that anywhere until today.

I don't know anything about the injury. But it was aggravated as he went up for a missed layup where no foul was called. Isn't that injury an indication that a foul happened - it couldn't have been all ball.

Quote from: Newsdreams on January 18, 2025, 07:51:33 PMAsian drugs are dangerous, stay away.

Racist, bet you supported the White out today too

Quote from: Judge Smails on January 18, 2025, 09:03:18 PMI don't know anything about the injury. But it was aggravated as he went up for a missed layup where no foul was called. Isn't that injury an indication that a foul happened - it couldn't have been all ball.

They showed him on the big screen grabbing it and someone in our row yelled "uh oh". Then someone else said he tore something in his hand or thumb against DePaul.

I was like...uhh what? Hadn't heard of read that anywhere.

Saw the play that caused him to grab it today.  Never heard a word about it post DePaul.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 18, 2025, 09:11:13 PMRacist, bet you supported the White out today too

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Quote from: wadesworld on January 18, 2025, 03:26:50 PMWe're 15-3. We're rated where we deserve to be. Conference games are hard. We'll lose more games. So will the UCONN's, Florida's, Kentucky's of the world.

Maybe. But will Creighton and St. John's?
They look like the class of league right now. Have not seen Johnnies play, but Creighton looks awesome.
MU right now is playing poorly.

Quote from: willie warrior on January 19, 2025, 05:09:52 AMMaybe. But will Creighton and St. John's?
They look like the class of league right now. Have not seen Johnnies play, but Creighton looks awesome.
MU right now is playing poorly.

St. John's looks like the class of the league right now.   Have not seen them play.
 

Quote from: tower912 on January 19, 2025, 06:59:20 AMSt. John's looks like the class of the league right now.   Have not seen them play.
 

Not to mention Marquette already beat Creighton.

Quote from: willie warrior on January 19, 2025, 05:09:52 AMMaybe. But will Creighton and St. John's?
They look like the class of league right now. Have not seen Johnnies play, but Creighton looks awesome.
MU right now is playing poorly.

Good thing we have a better record and a head to head win against Creighton.

And yes. Those two will lose more games in the regular season.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 19, 2025, 08:18:11 AMGood thing we have a better record and a head to head win against Creighton.

And yes. Those two will lose more games in the regular season.

Well, as Willie likes to say, McDermott owns Shaka

Quote from: wadesworld on January 19, 2025, 08:18:11 AMGood thing we have a better record and a head to head win against Creighton.

And yes. Those two will lose more games in the regular season.

They won't.

Quote from: tower912 on January 18, 2025, 05:09:05 PMIf you don't pay attention to polls how can you judge what top 20 is?  If they aren't, who should be in the top 20 who isn't?  You don't know.  You don't pay attention to polls.
  And yes.  MU is 3-0 in the Big 10, 6-1 in the Big East.

I pay more attention to things like the NET that consider a variety of things, including strength of schedule, metrics,, etc.,and play a significant part in NCAA seeding. The voted polls play no part.

When Big East play started, MU was rated 9 in NET. After going 6-1 in conference play their NIT has dropped to 19. IMHO that is a reflection of subpar play against lower level competition, and not just one game.

The other teams that have been mentioned in this thread as having bad games (Auburn, Iowa State, Illinois, Michigan) have not had drops like that. They are currently 1, 6, 8, and 11 despite their recent bad games.

I am declining to name 20 teams that have been playing better than MU because it wouldn't change anyone's mind that my concern about how MU has been playing is an overreaction. But, the NIT ranking has 18 candidates. Pomeroy has 14. And if you rated just performance in conference play I'm sure there would be more than that. As of today, MUs performance in the nonconference games is propping up the conference games.

Maybe MU will turn things around and win 11 of the next 12 or whatever it was they did last year after their little slump. But they're going to have to figure out a way to get more good shots (and then make more of them) than they have the last few games.

Quote from: wisblue on January 19, 2025, 09:02:13 AMI am declining to name 20 teams that have been playing better than MU because it wouldn't change anyone's mind that my concern about how MU has been playing is an overreaction.

Ahhh.....

Personally, I think people are being a bit hard on wisblue here. Now maybe it comes down to your perspective in terms of early expectations, but we haven't been playing well of late.

Since January 1, Marquette ranks as #81 in the country according to T-Rank. If that feels like cherry-picking because it leaves out the PC game, let's go back to December 17, we've been #33 since then.

Yes, we're still a clear tourney team, clearly in line for a protected seed at the moment, but this doesn't feel at all like the potential #1 seed/national title contender this team looked like a little over a month ago. Maybe it's the flu going through the team, but in the past month the Providence game was the only one where we really looked to be clicking on all cylinders.

We can still be a good team, get to a second weekend, but if you feel just as confident after the past few results as you did six weeks ago, I'd love some of the kool-aid you're drinking. We played with fire against Creighton, Georgetown, and DePaul and finally got burned by Xavier.

This is the time of the year that our 3P shooting tends to pick up. Love to see that happen. We know that Kam, Chase, and Stevie are capable of much better than we saw yesterday. Like to see that too.

Plenty of ranked teams are slipping up, I would say I'm still very bullish on that Auburn, Duke, Iowa State, Alabama group. There's a few really elite teams that are NC contenders, then a batch of 10-12 teams that are Final Four contenders. We are in that second group, and based on the last month, we're closer to the end of that group than the beginning.

The initial upside of this year was that while we were playing poorly, unlike last year (losses at SHU, v Butler) we were still winning the tough games. Now we've taken a loss in a game that frankly shouldn't have been close. There's time to turn it around, and I hope we do. But I totally get someone who looks at the last 6 weeks and thinks the first month was more the fluke than the part where people have tape on us.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 19, 2025, 09:37:48 AMThere's time to turn it around, and I hope we do. But I totally get someone who looks at the last 6 weeks and thinks the first month was more the fluke than the part where people have tape on us.

That could be the case of course. But last year was arguably worse and things ended up fine. Not that it means that the season will end similarly, but I think there is just a little too much freaking out going on. There is a lot of season left and this is a talented team with a smart, experienced coach.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 19, 2025, 09:37:48 AMPersonally, I think people are being a bit hard on wisblue here. Now maybe it comes down to your perspective in terms of early expectations, but we haven't been playing well of late.

Since January 1, Marquette ranks as #81 in the country according to T-Rank. If that feels like cherry-picking because it leaves out the PC game, let's go back to December 17, we've been #33 since then.

Yes, we're still a clear tourney team, clearly in line for a protected seed at the moment, but this doesn't feel at all like the potential #1 seed/national title contender this team looked like a little over a month ago. Maybe it's the flu going through the team, but in the past month the Providence game was the only one where we really looked to be clicking on all cylinders.

We can still be a good team, get to a second weekend, but if you feel just as confident after the past few results as you did six weeks ago, I'd love some of the kool-aid you're drinking. We played with fire against Creighton, Georgetown, and DePaul and finally got burned by Xavier.

This is the time of the year that our 3P shooting tends to pick up. Love to see that happen. We know that Kam, Chase, and Stevie are capable of much better than we saw yesterday. Like to see that too.

Plenty of ranked teams are slipping up, I would say I'm still very bullish on that Auburn, Duke, Iowa State, Alabama group. There's a few really elite teams that are NC contenders, then a batch of 10-12 teams that are Final Four contenders. We are in that second group, and based on the last month, we're closer to the end of that group than the beginning.

The initial upside of this year was that while we were playing poorly, unlike last year (losses at SHU, v Butler) we were still winning the tough games. Now we've taken a loss in a game that frankly shouldn't have been close. There's time to turn it around, and I hope we do. But I totally get someone who looks at the last 6 weeks and thinks the first month was more the fluke than the part where people have tape on us.

That's fine but when you're a constant eeyore, people tend to start to ignore and push back

I love wisblue.  Has a take.  Owns it.

I was an eeyore about the Lions back in October and November.  Owned it. 

I agree with his take.  We are not playing at the same level as the non-con portion of the season.  That is obvious. 

Quote from: The Sultan on January 19, 2025, 09:06:11 AMAhhh.....

Would you rather that I list all of the teams that the NET has ranked higher than MU plus a few that have moved up significantly while MU has dropped?

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 18, 2025, 05:55:32 PMOne thing I find semi interesting is that Shaka is stuck on that 32 deflections a game number but he has never ever mentioned how many the other team had. I would actually like to know how many deflections we get relative to the other team. If it's a such "deflection culture" and they show leaderboards and give out chicken and what not, shouldn't we at the very least know if we are even winning the deflection battle? What good is 32 deflections if the other team has 42? I don't know. Always bothered me.

In one of the "in the huddle" shots Miller told them to get deflections.  If I recall, he even mentioned the number they had or were targetting.

There is a reasonable argument to be made for Wisblue's concerns and you laid it out well. I'm chalking it up to a mid season slump.  If MU keeps playing this way his concerns will be validated.  The schedule getting harder in February would not be one of my concerns, however.  My concern right now would be returning to their previous level of play, Kam especially.  My optimism for this year is very much anchored to him being an efficient all-American.  He needs help however.  The bench does need to develop and contribute.  The rest of the starters need to keep doing their pert as consistently as possible. 

Maybe other teams are gelling and MU has reached its ceiling.  I just don't think so.  Lots of games left to play.  They should improve over the course of this season like all the other good teams.  We will see. 

Quote from: wisblue on January 19, 2025, 10:29:36 AMWould you rather that I list all of the teams that the NIT has ranked higher than MU plus a few that have moved up significantly while MU has dropped?

I don't care what you do actually because I'm not gonna freak out about this.