Sure, (tick) off the Lorax.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 10, 2025, 02:07:49 PMYou could cut down all of the trees I guess

Extreme forest management. NO mercy. Nuke 'em. Go full Medieval.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 10, 2025, 02:07:49 PMYou could cut down all of the trees I guess

Once on vacation, we met a couple from California who ran a very lucrative landscaping business.  They had a number of large commercial customers (corporate campuses, etc.).

 Apparently, If you want to remove a tree from your private property, you need formal permission from the government, even if it is dead. One of the reasons they did so well is that they were one of the few businesses of its type that could successfully navigate all of the paperwork involved.

I can imagine that many people do not want the bother or expense, so trees that should come down because are fire hazards remain standing.

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 04:50:33 PMOnce on vacation, we met a couple from California who ran a very lucrative landscaping business.  They had a number of large commercial customers (corporate campuses, etc.).

 Apparently, If you want to remove a tree from your private property, you need formal permission from the government, even if it is dead. One of the reasons they did so well is that they were one of the few businesses of its type that could successfully navigate all of the paperwork involved.

I can imagine that many people do not want the bother or expense, so trees that should come down because are fire hazards remain standing.

My friend lives out there.  They were between 2 houses.  One that they absolutely loved ticked every box and was surprisingly well priced given SoCal.  But it had a huge dying/nearly dead tree tilting in the side yard.  The owners had not done anything with it specifically due to the above.  Some brief research and exploration showed my buddy that it was going to be a significant paperwork/logistical ordeal beyond just removing the tree.  The last thing they wanted to deal with moving with 2 young kids.  So they didn't put an offer in and ended up buying else where...the tree fell less than a month later and caused 6 figures worth of damage.

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 04:50:33 PMOnce on vacation, we met a couple from California who ran a very lucrative landscaping business.  They had a number of large commercial customers (corporate campuses, etc.).

 Apparently, If you want to remove a tree from your private property, you need formal permission from the government, even if it is dead. One of the reasons they did so well is that they were one of the few businesses of its type that could successfully navigate all of the paperwork involved.

I can imagine that many people do not want the bother or expense, so trees that should come down because are fire hazards remain standing.

I don't think that individual trees on a person's property are a fire hazard.

As far as government permission? That is needed in Wisconsin as well.

Quote from: Jockey on January 10, 2025, 05:06:12 PMI don't think that individual trees on a person's property are a fire hazard.

As far as government permission? That is needed in Wisconsin as well.

I removed several trees from my property in the last few years.  No permission needed.

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 05:16:59 PMI removed several trees from my property in the last few years.  No permission needed.

We had the pines on our heavily wooded country property before building our house. We had someone come in and take all the loblolly pines (most of the trees were those-pulp wood) and he took them to a paper mill. I knew that if there ever was a fire, we would be lucky to get off the property in time. We also took down large oak trees (hated to do it, but...) that were dying and clearly a threat to our house site. We kept as many hardwoods as we could, but being naive about the risks of certain trees and leaving them standing anyway is foolish.

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 05:16:59 PMI removed several trees from my property in the last few years.  No permission needed.

Do you live in a rural area?

In Racine, you need a permit to remove a tree (with a fee, of course) unless it is in the curb easement. But even then, city approval (the government) is necessary since there must be a legitimate reason for the removal.

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 04:50:33 PMOnce on vacation, we met a couple from California who ran a very lucrative landscaping business.  They had a number of large commercial customers (corporate campuses, etc.).

 Apparently, If you want to remove a tree from your private property, you need formal permission from the government, even if it is dead. One of the reasons they did so well is that they were one of the few businesses of its type that could successfully navigate all of the paperwork involved.

I can imagine that many people do not want the bother or expense, so trees that should come down because are fire hazards remain standing.

There's no California law requiring a permit/approval to remove a tree on private property. There are some municipalities that require permits, often  dependent on the type or location of the tree, across the country.

We removed a tree from our property several years back.  No permit required.  Some municipalities require a permit for just about anything you do to your home.  Pull a permit to replace a water heater?  Who does that? 

Quote from: Jockey on January 10, 2025, 05:43:48 PMDo you live in a rural area?

In Racine, you need a permit to remove a tree (with a fee, of course) unless it is in the curb easement. But even then, city approval (the government) is necessary since there must be a legitimate reason for the removal.

Is the bureaucratic mess such a nightmare that you have to hire an expert to submit the paperwork?

Permitting to remove a dying tree(s) from your property is not causing 100 mph winds starting fires out of control that cannot be contained until the wind subsides. Your s*** is burning regardless

See below.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 10, 2025, 02:07:49 PMYou could cut down all of the trees I guess

Need to haul them away or they could be a worse fire hazard.

Quote from: NCMUFan on January 10, 2025, 09:38:31 PMNeed to haul them away or they could be a worse fire hazard.

You're not gonna cut down all the trees in a forest

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 05:16:59 PMI removed several trees from my property in the last few years.  No permission needed.

Ditto for me here in Connecticut. No permits required.  This past October I removed a bunch. After a late summer microburst left me with a half dozen snapped tree tops. I discovered a 150+ year old oak tree had rotten spots going up 40 feet and if the monster sized tree fell would have landed on my house.  It was not a cheap removal.
 

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 11, 2025, 07:24:51 AMDitto for me here in Connecticut. No permits required.  This past October I removed a bunch. After a late summer microburst left me with a half dozen snapped tree tops. I discovered a 150+ year old oak tree had rotten spots going up 40 feet and if the monster sized tree fell would have landed on my house.  It was not a cheap removal.
 

Those microbursts are SO dangerous. We had one and it snapped the upper 1/3 of a large oak tree, alternating its projected falling angle that was decisively away from our house to towards our house, so we had it taken down. During the same microburst, another large oak fell (as expected) directly away from our house. I watched from inside our house and neither saw nor heard the trees going down. Almost zero visibility and deafening sound of the microburst prevented that.

Quote from: warriorchick on January 10, 2025, 06:22:05 PMIs the bureaucratic mess such a nightmare that you have to hire an expert to submit the paperwork?

I live far from California. Still require permits to remove trees on private property (municipal rules, like Pakuni said). There are some nearby HOAs that have even stricter ordinances that would essentially require getting an outside expert or risk massive fines.

I know one person that had a tree come down in a storm, and they were fined heavily by their HOA for removing it without the proper steps. Getting the fines removed was a massive mess and headache.

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2025, 06:07:51 PMThere's no California law requiring a permit/approval to remove a tree on private property. There are some municipalities that require permits, often  dependent on the type or location of the tree, across the country.

Ype, and we can apply this response and change out the word California to Wisconsin.

I've had several trees removed from my property without a single permit.

PGA moving tournament away from Riviera for this year.

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